BerrySteph said:

You cannot claim to be caring unless you defend Julian Assange, being tortured to death.

When did that happen?

BerrySteph said:

Meanwhile, I noticed you deleted my post about the AMIA bombing in 1994 in Argentina being an inside job.

No idea where or when that happened, or what you are talking about.

I would only have moved it if it was a hijack attempt.

Check your Hijack Hijinks thread.

You can go as nuts as you want there.

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

When did that happen?

You should not attempt to play the good Fraulein who never knew there were death-camps.

Especially when her claim is genuine and yours is fraudulent.

Shame you couldn't stop yourself from hijacking and blurting out random nonsense.

But thank you for reminding me why I gagged you in the first place.

U.S.

Australia to dismiss at least 10 soldiers over Afghan killings: ABC

Australia has issued termination notices to at least 10 special forces soldiers after the release of a report that found credible evidence of unlawful killings in Afghanistan, the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) said on Thursday.

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I watched again recently the Movie about the tracking and eventual killing of OBL ,

The assault on his building was very obviously done by special forces who killed anybody man or woman who was deemed to be in their way , having bought the person down they were then shot again to ensure they were dead 

The use of such forces are a necessary evil and any attempt to white wash their efforts is self defeating , I will guess these 10 men have retired anyway so their notice of termination will be irrelevant , their services I am 100% sure will still be used by the same Government that is sacking them 

BM

One part of the controversy that has come with this is ALL the medals of ALL the SAS serving during the time of these crimes will be stripped.  This includes posthumously!

I kinda agree with this action.

You are not just fighting for your country, but the man standing next to you.  Your life is in his hands, as his is in yours.  His integrity is yours, just as his fear is.

So, if you throw away your integrity, then you do the same for him.  If you dishonour the SAS with your actions, then ALL the SAS share your dishonour.

I think this could be the only way to reach these men and genuinely change the culture that created this chaos.

What I AM angry about, is that all the SAS' senior officers get to keep their medals.  Were they oblivious?  Were they not even there to train these men?

If they want to keep their medals, then they should at least be charged with criminal negligence.

I don't know much about the army but thanks .

If you come out of a close combat situation intact due to the actions of the men around you do you think anybody cares who they cut down for them to survive ?

None of the men will go hungry whether the Australians use them again in covert actions or a myriad of legal Private forces now being used will bend over backwards to have these men in their employ .

War is shit it is far more dreadful than any one man has ever described , it is terrifying even for the most battle hardened , it is beyond rational to expect men to act in decent honorable ways they dont , they wont and they cant , their purpose SOLE purpose is to win and stay alive 

BM

"War is shit it is far more dreadful than any one man has ever described , it is terrifying even for the most battle hardened , it is beyond rational to expect men to act in decent honorable ways they dont , they wont and they cant , their purpose SOLE purpose is to win and stay alive "

We have tried to make war a rules-based 'game' but you're right that in extreme circumstances, those rules are ignored in favour of survival.  

There was a time when Chivalry was the name of the game but Agincourt saw that off , as the wars became ever more dreadful and the weapons ever more deadly the need to survive no matter the honor or the cost to others has remained paramount .

It would be NICE if wars or battles could be fought with laws and codes of honor but it takes both sides to honor such agreements and when one side is far more powerful than the other this is where asymmetric warfare evens the playing field and your enemy uses your rules of engagement to their advantage that is why many of these acts take place  there are no real rules when fighting you dont want to die and you dont want to get injured and you seriously dont give a damn about the otherside 

BM