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Gibraltar   The U.K and Europe

Started Feb-3 by PTG (anotherPTG); 1402 views.
PTG (anotherPTG)

From: PTG (anotherPTG)

Feb-3

EU Brexit Deal to Exclude Gibraltar

And so another part of the UK that voted decisively against Brexit is going to bear the brunt of the consequences. Gibraltar is to be excluded from any deal ...

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Where exactly is Gibraltar?

bml00

From: bml00

Feb-3

it is very close to Spain and it is the entrance to the Med it has HIGHLY strategic importance because of where it is

BM

Harold27Z

From: Harold27Z

Feb-3

Legend says British rule will end when baboons leave the rock so the British army feeds them.

Its chacma baboons are never encountered dead on Gibralter because the corpses are returned to Africa  using underground tunnel-like caves.

One day our daughter, aged 4 or 5, encountered wild baboons.  Upon our return home, she got a bucket full of soapy water and splashed the patio.  We asked why.  She said so the baboons will slip up when they try to sneak into our house.  You cannot imagine the mess they make when a troop sneaks into an open window and raid the fridge and every cupboard etc.   Colleagues have told me.  

Signs prohibit the feeding of baboons.  I don 't need a sign to tell me they bite the hand that feeds them, just history.

A friend knew his camp was being watched by baboons.  He sneaked a snake into a pot and strolled away.  A baboon approached, lifted the lid and died from a heart attack. 

Big ones can be dangerous as evidenced in the final minute from the 1965 movie: "Sands of the Kalahari" (see linkage below).   Lets just say, you won't be able to keep an apple in your hand when a big one is hungry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke_ntqHcFZc

  • Edited February 3, 2020 1:03 pm  by  Harold27Z
BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Feb-3

PTG (anotherPTG) said:

And so another part of the UK that voted decisively against Brexit is going to bear the brunt of the consequences. Gibraltar is to be excluded from any deal ...

I'm not sure that Gibraltar needs to be part of any deal.

Much more serious is the threat to the Falklands.

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RGoss99

From: RGoss99

Feb-3

Not close to Spain, actually touching and dependent on Spain for its survival, and a lot of its labor force. Yes, it was strategic, but that is no longer the case, because shore based artiller if used to shut the straits, would be wiped out by any country attempting to enforce it. It exists today for two reasons, British pride from the U.K. side, and its population of Brits who want the best of both possible worlds, UK and Spain.

It dates as a British coloney from the time when France and Britain were nervous about the power of the Hapsbergs, who claimed all the Americas, the Iberian Peninsula, and all of central Europe. The result was the War of Spanish Succession which limited the Hapsbergs to Central Europe, and invited a junior line of Borbons into Spain. But they made the Borbons pay for the job they had t give France half of Catalunya, and Britain got Menorca (which they gave back later), and Gibraltar. So Gibraltar is a pride issue for Spain also, and caught in the middle of Brexit, because if Spain as a member of the E.U. owes nothing to the U.K. after Brexit, so if they wanted to they could simply cut off the water and electricity, and void all issues of access, trash, environmental and labor relations. Britain has not been a good neighbor in that they have already usurped territory belonging to Spain.

There is a simple solution for those living in Gibraltar, simply voting to become a Spanish region. Language is not a problem as the Regions of Spain already have the right to choose their own language. As far as the UK is concerned, Gibraltar is unproductive and its costs exceed its benefits.

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Feb-3

RGoss99 said:

As far as the UK is concerned, Gibraltar is unproductive and its costs exceed its benefits.

I don't know the details but it appears that Gibraltar wilfully allows cigarette smuggling to considerable detriment to the Spanish economy. Very much a negative outcome game to play.

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RGoss99

From: RGoss99

Feb-3

Adding for me and others living in Spain but outside the Iberian peninsula, Gibraltar as a Spanish region would be good for tourism in Gibraltar. From here the airfair for Gibraltar outside of Spain is a little over 800€ but if in Spain would be only 19€. For 19€ it would be worth a visit, but not for 800€ Considering that from here to Edinburgh is only around 300€

RGoss99

From: RGoss99

Feb-3

Actually since Franco tobacco income has been a very small part of the Spanish economy. But here as a related story. <<Statisticly>>, Andorra has the highest conumption of tobacco in the world. But the fact s that the stats are based on paper imports, because the tobacco simply is supposedly shipped to Andorra, but is actually reimported illegally back to the U.K. seriously cutting into the U.K. tax revenue.

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