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Israeli Police Arab Major General Police Commander    Africa and the Middle East

Started Feb-19 by bml00; 868 views.
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BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Feb-21

bml00 said:

https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/First-Muslim-Maj-Gen-in-Israel-Police-at-UN-State-offers-equality-610636

We went all round this before over your mate high up in the IDF, didn't we? He's not the owner of a company that recycles tyres and, if he's the director, he's not mentioned on the company web-site.

http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/diplomacy-defence/105824-160311-senior-israeli-army-officer-served-with-home-demolition-order
"Demolition orders are issued against buildings and not against individuals whose identity is unknown," the response continued.

The Bedouin community of Abu Nuwar in the West Bank, near Jerusalem, February 23, 2016 AHMAD GHARABLI (AFP)

Meanwhile, you know its true - even the "most entitled" Palestinians, from among the Druze, are treated disgustingly by the IDF.

Senior Israeli army officer served with home demolition order

The incident has created a storm of controversy among Bedouin soldiers and commanders serving in the IDF

03/11/2016 - An Israeli army major will have to demolish his home in two months' time, after being served with a demolition order from the Israeli government due to the house having been built without a permit, Walla reports.

Major Habas al-Atrash, who heads up the Bedouin Trackers Unit in the IDF's Southern Command, found the order pasted on the door to his house, in the Negev, about a month ago. The demolition would leave his family without a roof over their heads.

Al-Atrash's lawyer appealed to the Beer Sheva District court for an order to temporarily delay the demolition order, according to Walla.

At the same time, around two weeks ago, a compromise was reached with the Southern District Planning and Building Committee, wherein al-Atrash would have to demolish his own home so that he will not have to pay for the Israeli authorities to do so.

Col. Nahmani (reserves), who is a lawyer, also submitted an urgent request to Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon to prevent the demolition.

If the IDF officer does not demolish his home by the deadline, the Israel Lands Administration will carry out the demolition, for which al-Atrash will bear the cost.

The incident has created a storm of controversy among Bedouin soldiers and commanders serving in the IDF, Walla says.

"The roles and tasks performed by Bedouin soldiers are incredibly important… And now these brave soldiers who sacrifice their lives for the state and the security of its citizens are having their lives made intolerable by the same state, which is demolishing their homes," Nahmani said.

According to the lawyer, the judges' hands are tied by the law and this case requires the intervention of the relevant authorities at the Ministry of Defense, Walla reports.

Nahmani is representing another Bedouin soldier who has found himself in the same situation as al-Atrash. The second soldier was also served with a demolition order after being accused of having built his home illegally, Walla says. His home is expected to be demolished by the state in the near future.

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bml00

From: bml00

Feb-22

The Israeli Government is and will remove Bedouin from their shacks and tents and hovels and eventually place them in cities and towns.

It is not possible to have in a country as small as Israel people who are nomadic , setting up camps , defecating , slaughtering their animals and then moving on in such a tiny country, we are not the gigantic hinterland of Arabia we are a tiny state.

These people DO NOT WANT TO GIVE UP BEING ISRAELI because it bestows upon them health and social and economic advantages NONE OF THEIR BRETHEREN ANYWHERE ELSE enjoy.

With the cities and the towns (which exist already ) has come education and stability, the old days in a new world are coming to an end

BM

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BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Feb-22

bml00 said:

The Israeli Government is and will remove Bedouin from their shacks and tents and hovels and eventually place them in cities and towns.

You're ethnically cleansing them into concentration camps, BM.

Squalid concrete boxes with no pavements and no parks and no banks. Some of them without a proper road in and out and no bus services.

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BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Feb-22

Concentration camps, and you know it.

RGoss99

From: RGoss99

Feb-28

I seldom read posts not addressed to me, but the BM post to which you are responding is so shocking in its implocations.

We also have autoatic demolitician orders but these are limited to illegal dwellings where there is evidence of fraud or corruption on the part

of the owner or builder, which does not seem to be the case. Another question should be asked, as to what the options for a home for this officer and his family were before his "illegal" house

house was built. I don´t know about Israel but here the authorities when it comes to building permits are the most corrupt part of local government. 

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Feb-28

bml00 said:

The Israeli Government is and will remove Bedouin from their shacks and tents and hovels and eventually place them in cities and towns. It is not possible to have in a country as small as Israel people who are nomadic , setting up camps , defecating , slaughtering their animals and then moving on in such a tiny country, we are not the gigantic hinterland of Arabia we are a tiny state. These people DO NOT WANT TO GIVE UP BEING ISRAELI because it bestows upon them health and social and economic advantages NONE OF THEIR BRETHEREN ANYWHERE ELSE enjoy. With the cities and the towns (which exist already ) has come education and stability, the old days in a new world are coming to an end

There you, are stark racist supremacism from BM.

Perhaps the most astonishing part is that he's not somehow been trapped into it in someone else's thread, this is BMs own thread.

Which he started with this - https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/First-Muslim-Maj-Gen-in-Israel-Police-at-UN-State-offers-equality-610636 - seemingly intent on proving that Israel doesn't operate apartheid atall but a state that "offers equality"!

(And of course, the statements would be outrageous even if we didn't know that these "cities and towns" on offer are concentration camps that no white people would ever live in).

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ramseylurker

From: ramseylurker

Feb-28

Like most things in life, there's a song for that. It's called "Campesino de ciudad" - Leonor Gonzalez Mina (La Negra Grande de Colombia)

Here she is singing it live in in San Juan, Puerto Rico, in some rare historical footage from November 15, 1975. Apparently, as more Puerto Ricans have moved to the mainland recently, poverty has gone down.

https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2019/09/puerto-rico-outmigration-increases-poverty-declines.html

RGoss99

From: RGoss99

Feb-28

Agreed, and feel that there is a lot to the story he is leaving out. When members of minority groups from depressed areas join the military, their entire family gets a higher standard of living, immediate family government housing in the area where the work is, which means lower cost of living and more extra cash to support the extended family back home.

In another thread I mentioned that in our local military units we have a disproportionately high number of Muslim troops (good because when sent to Muslim countries the shared cultural values mean less problems with the locals). For example our main base is in Palma, the most expensive place on the island to live. our troops and their families get free or subsidized housing. Which means the have all the health, education, social benefits as the civilias but at less cost, so their surplus cash goes to support extended family in the Magreb. Since the dictatorship the military has gone through some changes. No more draft, less popular with the poor because poverty is not an educational handicap with free schooling up through university for those who qualify academicly. And because of high tech and down sizing we have higher standards for enlistment. Also because we don´´t store our troops in military ghettos, most of them continue with their education either for internal promotion, or future work after they muster out. The only cases I ever hear of regarding authoritarian brutality, is from "foreign" policemen from Spanish speaking Spain, who tend not to integrate but like to work here (inspite of our gypsies, immigrants, Muslims) because the life style is easier, and the pay higher here then they would have back home. (similar pattern in Southern California where many cops are fro the racist WASP S.E. raise their standard of living by joining the army, muster out with no paticular skills with no inentive to go and join their familieson welfare in mISSISSIPPI, so they become racist cops in Los Angeles, where Spanish is the home language for more of the population then English or the Black ghettos are filled with the same Blacks they encountered back home.

OT but related. My father was the assistant general manager of the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power (he was electricity, the other assistant was water). During a "support your country, buy American kick" my father spent several million dollars in purchasing some cheaper superior generators from Switzerland. General Electric (t self a multinational with offices in Switzerland) complained to the council and my dad was called in. After making his economic case, he gained more points in his closing, when he pulled out a plastic ball point pen, a christmas gift from G.E. that said, "made in Japan" on it.Trump pushes anti immigrant worker and anti China exports agenda, but Trump Tower is made of Steel from China, and hired undocumented non union workers to build it. In Florida, his Marilago retreat hires undocumented Carribean workers on its cleaning, and food service staffs.

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