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Black Lies Matter   America - all of it

Started Aug-12 by Apollonius (Theocritos); 12438 views.
Jenifer (Zarknorph)

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)


Bob, you repeat the same jabs over and over.

Yes, they are small, but there are hundreds of them.

It's mildly irritating.

And it draws focus away from whatever you actually want to talk about.

So I have to trawl back through the thread to find out what you want to discuss amidst the pinpricks.

Jenifer (Zarknorph)

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)


Make Dems Cry Again 2020! (bobrazz) said:

It's been in our streets for years. What "good" has it accomplished?

OK, now I have context.

The "good" it has accomplished is bringing forward the ideas and social policies involved in defunding the police.

Unfortunately this "side movement" has chosen a terrible name that is very misleading.

Bob, you repeat the same jabs over and over.

Only when you pretend to respond with your childish schoolyard taunts. Is your ego really so fragile that you cannot accept the fact that you might be wrong? Is your intelligence so lacking that you cannot even attempt defend your statements? What?

And it draws focus away from whatever you actually want to talk about.

I asked a simple question. One that was clearly not "personal". You took offense. That's on you, not me.

So I have to trawl back through the thread to find out what you want to discuss amidst the pinpricks.

Wear thick leather soles, then. Of course, answering the pointed, honest, question would have avoided all that. You are, apparently, neither strong enough, nor intelligent enough, to figure that out by yourself.

Let me brighten up your day. I found a news article that had your picture yesterday;


The "good" it has accomplished is bringing forward the ideas and social policies involved in defunding the police.

And, the people of cities around this country are enjoying the fruits of that idiocy. You liberals will never understand that when people start to understand that laws are not going to be enforced more laws are broken. When a policeman knows that he faces suspension or jail simply for doing his duty protecting the community, and himself, (the vast majority of shootings by police are found to be justified) he will be very slow to respond to such incidents.

I just read a meme that illustrates, perfectly, your mindset;


Jenifer (Zarknorph)

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)


Once again, you have failed to understand my point, inserted your own in its place, then attacked me, based upon that strawman argument.

I'm sure the remainder of this "conversation" will be just as pointless.

Or, in other words...

Argument invalid memes | quickmeme

Once again, you have failed to understand my point,

I simply pointed out how irrational your "point" was. And, of course, you took personal offense (as any "child" would, I understand) and claimed "YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, WHAAA", or somesuch.

This vile nonsense has been going on for years. Falsely claiming (as obama's INjustice department seemed to prove for over half a decade) that racism has drivin abuse towards blacks by police. You claim "the good" is bringing this to the attention of millions of people. How is it "good" to promote lies and propaganda? How is it "good" to promote what brings destruction, injury, even death, to our streets?

All this is accomplishing is driving more, and more division between the races. Something, it seems, the democrat politicians desperately need in order to hold on to their cushy jobs. This is what you are supporting.

Jenifer (Zarknorph)

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)


No, I don't support the nonsense you just wrote.

Of course, working in a favourite catchphrase.

I'll add "you're a baby" to "triggered" and "victim".

No, I don't support the nonsense you just wrote.

You cannot dispute it. You did take personal offense as only a child would. You lashed out as any child would. And, you have no argument concerning the fact that even obama, our racist in chief, could not find systemic racism in our police departments!

However, I understand. A 'child's' mind is far more susceptible to brainwashing!

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The Washington Post does George Floyd: toxic and patronizing - Francis Menton, Manhattan Contrarian, 13 October 2020


Over at the Washington Post, they are in the midst of running a big six-part series with the title “George Floyd’s America.” The subtitle is “Examining systemic racism and racial injustice in the post-civil rights era.” So far, two of the pieces have run. On October 8 it was “Born with two strikes: How systemic racism shaped Floyd’s life and hobbled his ambition”; and on October 12, it was “Looking for his ticket out.” Forthcoming pieces, it appears, will cover the subjects of housing, criminal justice, healthcare, and the police.

In this post, I’ll take a somewhat detailed look at the first entry in the series, “Born with two strikes.” This is as good a place as any to get some insight into what currently passes for thinking on topics relating to race at the Washington Post and other woke media.

In case you haven’t already guessed from the titles, the point of the series is to prove to you that Floyd’s tragedy stemmed from one and only one source, “systemic racism and racial injustice.” All facts are invented, spun, or suppressed as needed to fit that narrative. In the process, Floyd himself — let alone all other similarly situated black men — inevitably get painted as a people completely devoid of human agency, helpless children fully absolved from any responsibility for their life outcomes. If they spend years in jail, their own criminal actions seemingly have nothing to do with it. It all adds up to a toxic brew, intentionally concocted to stir up as much racial resentment and hatred as possible on the thinnest bits of evidence, or maybe no evidence at all. Meanwhile, even as the authors intent to spew toxicity is obvious, they are seemingly oblivious to the patronizing and demeaning attitude that they show toward black men in general and Floyd in particular.

The theme of the piece is stated near the beginning:

Throughout his lifetime, Floyd’s identity as a Black man exposed him to a gantlet [sic] of injustices that derailed, diminished and ultimately destroyed him. . . .  The picture that emerges is one that underscores how systemic racism has calcified within many of America’s institutions. . . .

“Injustices” like what, for instance?

In the crumbling Houston public housing complex where Floyd grew up — known as “The Bricks”. . . .

Wait a minute — I thought that public housing was a signature progressive initiative designed by genius experts to lift the poor up out of poverty. It appears that when Floyd was three, his family moved from North Carolina to Houston, where they were immediately accepted into deeply-subsidized public housing. Here in New York, deeply publicly subsidized housing for the poor remains the signature initiative of the progressive de Blasio mayoralty. So how can this at the same time be Exhibit A of “systemic racism” against Floyd?

And then there’s Exhibit B:

His underfunded and underperforming public high school in the city’s historically Black Third Ward left him unprepared for college.

Yes it’s that other main pillar of the progressive program for the poor, monopoly unionized public schools, from which the poor are allowed no escape. The Post somehow omits the monopoly and unionized pieces, and asserts that Floyd’s school was “underfunded.” Funny, but the most lavishly funded public schools in the country that are run on the monopoly/unionized model — those in places like New York City, Washington DC, and Baltimore, with per student spending close to triple national averages — get some of the worst results on standardized tests and graduation rates.

And then what happened with Floyd’s life after he left school?

When Floyd was a young man, minor offenses on his record yielded significant jail time and, once released, kept him from finding work. One conviction — a $10 drug deal that earned him 10 months behind bars — is now under review because the arresting officer is suspected of fabricating evidence in dozens of low-level drug cases. Floyd spent a quarter of his adult life incarcerated, cycling through a criminal justice system that studies show unjustly targets Blacks.

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Slaughter in the cities - Steve Sailer, Taki's Magazine, 14 October 2020

Establishment voices are finally, grudgingly admitting that murders and shootings are up spectacularly in 2020. But the reasons, they all agree, are immensely complicated and rather boring.

Perhaps, they muse, it has something to do with lockdowns? Or there could be any number of other subtly interacting factors. Who can tell? In any case, this mysterious rise in violence is beyond the comprehension, much less the control, of politicians. For example, Nate Silver’s FiveThirtyEight headlined:

Trump Doesn’t Know Why Crime Rises or Falls. Neither Does Biden. Or Any Other Politician.

…We don’t actually know why crime went up this year. To be fair, we don’t truly know why crime goes up…well, ever. Nor do we know how to make it go down in the long term.

So there’s no reason to consider the sudden rise in slaughter in the cities when casting your vote this fall. Crime isn’t something immediately threatening like climate change where voting matters. Instead, the rise and fall of crime is a vast, mysterious process, reminiscent of continental drift in its inevitability, which public policy and media opinion couldn’t possibly affect. Indeed, wouldn’t you rather read about some outrageous tweet by Trump than about this intensely tedious giant outbreak of gunfire?

Seriously, the current shooting spree in our cities is one of the simplest, most flagrantly obvious phenomena in the history of the social sciences.

Consider this Chicago Tribune graph of shootings (i.e., number of people killed or wounded by bullets) in the Windy City:

Despite the weirdness of the coronavirus lockdowns that began in March, 2020 had been a pretty normal year for shootings in Chicago up through late May. Yet notice the sudden kink after Memorial Day in the blue line representing the total number of those shot so far this year. Over a single week at the end of May, Chicago shifted to a new, more violent slope.

Up through May 26, 2020, Chicago had seen 15 percent more shooting victims year-to-date than in 2019. But from May 27 through Oct. 5, shootings were up a stunning 74 percent over 2019.

Did anything happen in late May that encouraged criminals and discouraged cops? The data journalists appear stumped when they try to think back that far. But, as you may recall (it was in the news at the time), George Floyd died in police custody on May 25, and three days later the Democratic mayor of Minneapolis let rioters burn down a police station. From there, looting and rioting spread nationwide as the press and universities extolled the Mostly Peaceful Protesters.

Similarly, here’s the NYPD’s graph of shooting victims in New York City with 2019 in red and 2020 in yellow:

Once again, 2020 was running strangely similar to 2019 despite the severe death toll NYC had absorbed in early April from the pandemic.

New York City, which has probably been the best policed big city in America in this century, did not see a rise in shootings as fast as Chicago did. But then in the first week of June 2020,
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