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Proud Boys   America - all of it

Started 10/1/20 by Apollonius (Theocritos); 7651 views.

The press’s strange fascination with the Proud Boys - Cockburn, The Spectator, 30 September 2020

Why this obsessive push to vilify such an obscure group?

... The ‘white supremacist’ angle on the Proud Boys is even weaker than the violence one. Not only do the Proud Boys openly reject white supremacy or white nationalism, but simply looking at the group quickly reveals they are substantially less white than antifa. Besides McInnes himself, the most famous member of the group is likely Tusitala ‘Tiny’ Toese, a gigantic Polynesian man.

In 2018, the Daily Beast profiled Enrique Tarrio, the Afro-Cuban head of the Proud Boys Miami chapter.  The piece’s headline blared that ‘Young Men of Color are Joining White-Supremacist Groups’. Somehow Arun Gupta wrote, and the Beast published, that bit of analysis without pausing even a moment to reflect on how ridiculous they being. They aren’t alone; NPR’s ‘The Takeaway’ podcast brought on a law professor and a Southern Poverty Law Center associate to discuss the ‘rise of multiracial white supremacy.’.

Cockburn tries very hard to be a sophisticated intellect, but this trend is beyond him. If a group has a multiracial membership and explicitly rejects white supremacy, then perhaps the most reasonable explanation is that they are not, in fact, white supremacists? And if a group’s most violent actions are difficult to distinguish from a large bar fight, then perhaps it’s a bit silly for them to be targeted by the same press outlets that label riots as ‘fiery but mostly peaceful’.

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Is Chris Wallace a white supremacist? - Ann Coulter, Taki's Magazine, 1 October 2020

The Spectator piece notes the Wikipedia entry for Proud Boys:

The group’s Wikipedia page has a Pravda-like quality to it: the site’s editors are frantic to mark the Proud Boys as supremely wicked, but instead they look supreme silly with subsections about the group ‘taunting soccer fans’ and having a ‘connection with Roger Stone’.

It's a perfect illustration of why no one should ever put any trust in Wikipedia for anything controversial.  The editors for the site line up in political orientation the same way as the corporate media:  At least 9 to 1 left and far left to conservative.

As a result many Wikipedia pages are radically biased, often to the point of absurdity.

Your post is also a perfect illustration of how progressives and liberals are, above all, lazy.

Instead of really investigating a topic, they race for the Wikipedia page or go to a 'fact checking' site or even some obviously very far gone organization like the SPLC and just take what they have to say at face value, never taking the trouble to examine what might prompt the editors of a Wikipedia page or a msm news story to start using the words 'far-right' or 'fascist'.

Compare, for example, the entry for antifa:

Antifa (/æn'ti?f?, 'ænti?f??/)[1] is an anti-fascist action and left-wing political movement in the United States[2][3][4][5] comprising an array of autonomous[6][7] groups that aim to achieve their objectives through the use of both nonviolent and violent direct action rather than through policy reform.[8][9][10][11] A

Whatever this may be, it is not an objective description of the group.  It's a description which uses the language of the organization itself to describe its activities.

Try looking for Proud Boys on Google.   It's difficult to even find their actual website, which is overwhelmed by hate sites like CNN, the New York Times,  and the SPLC which purport to describe them.

Proud Boys

The World’s Greatest Fraternal Organization
The Time For Apologies Is Past

I Am A Western Chauvinist And I Refuse To Apologize For Creating The Modern World.

The West is the Best!

See also:

Proud Boy Magazine

... where they invite submissions for articles:

While we work on some internal improvements for submissions, if you’re in a PB Chapter and would like to share examples of the good works you do for your community, please message us on Gab @OfficialProudBoys.


From: CzoeMC


The REAL Theocritos said:

Now begins a river of words and a trickling of sense.

?ρχεται λ?ξεων μεν ποταμ?ς, νου δε σταλαγμ?ς.

(on one of his opponents who was about to make a public speech)

Jenifer (Zarknorph)

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)


I agree that Wikipedia is not the best of sources.

But all the others were news articles.

I tried looking for any official site they controlled to get the views "straight from the Nazi horse's mouth", so to speak, but nothing.

It's possible Google has banned the link.

Jenifer (Zarknorph)

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)


I clicked on the link and the first thing I saw were pictures of them and Roger Stone.

You want to re-evaluate your dismissal of their connection?

Banned the link?  Do you think that is called for?  Is that the kind of power you want to give Google?

Not even slightly.

Whatever Roger Stone's crimes were they pale into insignificance compared to the many crimes by Democrat bureaucrats who never face a SWAT team midnight call and a rigged jury for their actions:

From the Wikipedia entry on Stone:

After Stone's conviction, Trump repeatedly indicated that he was considering a pardon for Stone.[187] Trump also repeatedly attacked the prosecutors, judge, and jury in Stone's trial,[187] and contended, without evidence, that the foreperson of the jury (which unanimously convicted Stone), was biased.

'Without evidence' is a line that the progressives use when there is overwhelming evidence that they don't want you to be aware of:

Keep throwing spaghetti at that wall - James Howard Kunstler, Clusterfuck Nation, 21 February 2020

... No doubt you saw the circus around the Roger Stone case develop into another Lawfare operation to oust Mr. Barr when a thousand-odd former federal attorneys — including some who signed off falsely on FISA warrants — mobbed up a petition for his resignation. I suspect it only pissed him off and made him more determined to bring cases against some of them. Stone, of course, is a political clown with a weak sense of boundaries who made some legally foolish moves, considering the parlous times. But you can still argue he was treated rather unfairly, since his jury forewoman outed herself as a Resistance activist as soon as the trial concluded and no one, including Judge Amy Berman Jackson, has addressed how that happened.

Here's what the Wiki entry says about Roger Stone's relationship to Proud Boys:

In early 2018, ahead of an appearance at the annual Republican Dorchester Conference in Salem, Oregon, Stone sought out the Proud Boys, a right-wing group known for street violence, to act as his "security" for the event; photos posted online showed Stone drinking with several Proud Boys.[120][121][122] After his arraignment at the Miami federal courthouse in January 2019, they joined him on its steps holding signs that said, "Roger Stone is innocent," and promoting right-wing conspiracy theorist Alex Jones and his InfoWars website. Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes said Stone was “one of the three approved media figures allowed to speak” about the group. When Stone was asked by a local reporter about the Proud Boys' claim that he had been initiated as a member of the group, he responded by calling the reporter a member of the Communist party.[122] He is particularly close to the group's current leader, Enrique Tarrio, who has commercially monetized his position.[122] At a televised Trump rally in Miami, Florida, on February 18, 2019, Tarrio was seated directly behind President Trump wearing a "Roger stone did nothing wrong" tee shirt.[123]

Read the rest of that entry and laugh.  "Called a reporter a member of the Communist Party"?  How Nazi can you get?   "Enrique Tarrio has commercially monetized his position"?   Well, that's a new one.  I've never heard of a liberal organization that ever did that.  Shouldn't this be a crime?   "Tarrio was seated directly behind President Trump wearing a "Roger stone did nothing wrong" tee shirt."   That's terrorism, I tell you.

This whole entry is one more absolute confirmation that most of the editors at Wikipedia are left-wing lunatics.