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Immigration Reform   America - all of it

Started 1/22/21 by Jenifer (Zarknorph); 9598 views.
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

3/14/21

Personally, Jennifer, I'm for posting signs at the Mexican border warning people 'Trespassers will be shot'.

Apollonius (Theocritos) said:

Personally, Jennifer, I'm for posting signs at the Mexican border warning people 'Trespassers will be shot'.

That's because you're a murderous white supremacist thug. 

There would probably be a few deaths, but people would soon get the idea.  When they started to hear what happened to a couple of guys who tried to get through the border illegally, people would stop paying thousands of dollars to coyotes to (maybe) bring them up through Mexico and across the border.

In the end we'd have possibly half-a-dozen  people shot versus thousands who die of thirst, starvation, asphyxiation, mishap, and murder.

It's all very simple and straightforward.  But because you are a sentimentalist, I don't expect you to understand that.

Apollonius (Theocritos) said:

There would probably be a few deaths, but people would soon get the idea.

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In the end we'd have possibly half-a-dozen  people shot 

What gives Canadian thugs like you the right to murder anybody in my country?

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... Nowhere is sentimentalism more rampant than in immigration policy. Even before Donald Trump ran for president, among progressives a growing moral consensus held that borders were at best inefficient and at worst, gravely immoral. How is it fair that  some people may live in rich, safe nations,  while others are trapped in poor, dangerous ones simply by accident of birth? Modern progressivism lacks the intellectual scaffolding to even answer that question. Four years of a Trump presidency hardened  the new consensus into dogma. Bill Clinton may have bragged about curbing illegal immigration and Barack Obama may have  voted to build a border fence. But in 2021,  the de facto Democratic position is that America’s borders are an abomination.

This leaves President Biden more hobbled than Obama ever was in fixing the situation at the border. Thanks to Biden’s policies, soon there will be countless new arrivals, claiming to fear violence in their home countries, and bringing along young children, whether related, accompanied or neither. If his party believes that mere poverty creates a valid asylum claim, that real borders are morally illegitimate, that minors must be admitted immediately, that families must never be separated and that ICE must be defanged or abolished, what can Biden do besides let everybody in?

President Biden will have to find the courage to resist his own party’s new ideology, or the border crisis of his first months could turn into the defining problem of his entire presidency.

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

3/15/21

Apollonius (Theocritos) said:

Personally, Jennifer, I'm for posting signs at the Mexican border warning people 'Trespassers will be shot'.

Given America's gun culture, it's sadly true.

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

3/15/21

What you don't appear to be grasping is the fact that many of these people are fleeing starvation, violence and murder in the hopes of getting asylum in America.

So, they would still come and take a chance at getting shot, because they know for certain they're going to die if they stay where they are.

People knew they would be shot at when trying to get over the Berlin wall. They still tried it.

Almost none face real danger, certainly nothing worse than living in an American city!

These so-called 'refugees' are coached and have their lines well memorized before they reach the border.

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

3/16/21

Apollonius (Theocritos) said:

Almost none face real danger, certainly nothing worse than living in an American city!

Hold on, so - to be clear.  You are saying that any member of a MS-13 gang is of no real danger, and no worse than anything you would encounter living in an American city?

Well then, open up the border and let them all in!  After all, it's not like they rape and kill people.

And it's not like they have any victims fleeing for their lives.

And how big IS the drug trade in South America, anyway?

Pfft.  Actors.

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