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From: slackerx
8/3/21
Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:But back home in Israel, his hopes of trading gold wedding bands with his longtime girlfriend seem to be an impossible dream.
You should repost this in my "Family Values" thread.
A long time ago, my wife lost her wedding ring. She was very sad about it, but every time she mentioned it, she would end it with, "but it isn't real gold". Now, some folks might be offended, but it's really just a reflection of her culture and her history and her identity. She's a bit of a gold snob, because she used to wash gold with her mother to buy candles with in El Bordo so she could read at night.
She eventually found it, and she was very happy, but of course, she felt the need to point out that it wasn't real gold.
My wife assures me that the pair of wedding rings being made in the opening scenes of this video documentary are made out of real gold. I generally take her word for it when it comes to gold.
Danza Colombia: Trayecto Pacífico - 2. Cuerpo
Este capítulo narra cómo los ancestros de los afrocolombianos soportaron los vejámenes y torturas propias de la esclavitud. Cuenta que a través de la danza sus cuerpos recibieron el aliento que necesitaban para no morir explotando la mina en busca del oro que querían sus amos. Y mientras recapitulamos información desconocida sobre este pasado reconocemos danzas que revelan esta tradición del cuidado del cuerpo y la conciencia del mismo, como el abozao, levantapolvo, fox trot, expresiones libres como los revulús en las fiestas de San Pacho y danzas de laboreo como la Batea.
- Edited August 10, 2021 7:16 pm by slackerx
From: slackerx
8/3/21
via DeepL Translate:
Danza Colombia: Pacific Journey - 2. Body
This chapter narrates how the ancestors of the Afro-Colombians endured the humiliations and tortures of slavery. It tells how through dance their bodies received the encouragement they needed to not die exploiting the mine in search of the gold their masters wanted. And while we recapitulate unknown information about this past, we recognize dances that reveal this tradition of body care and body awareness, such as the abozao, levantapolvo, fox trot, free expressions such as the revulús in the festivities of San Pacho and labor dances such as the Batea.
From: slackerx
8/3/21
bml00 said:You are Jewish if your Mother is Jewish or you have converted to Judaism via the Orthodox route , the lads Mother is NOT Jewish which under Religious law means he is not Jewish , his Father is Jewish .
OK, so he's not a Fundamentalist like you.
Then again, neither is Jon Ossoff, Georgia's First Jewish US Senator.
Meh....
- Edited August 3, 2021 8:53 am by slackerx
From: slackerx
8/3/21
bml00 said:There is currently a large hullabaloo about the lad but I doubt that will change much
From the article:
"A 2019 survey by the Israel Democracy Institute found that almost 60% of Israeli Jews support civil marriage."
- Edited August 3, 2021 8:53 am by slackerx
From: slackerx
8/3/21
Jenifer (Zarknorph) said...
He is pestering you, but has not been abusive, profane or cruel.
Speaking of abusive and cruel, I really need to get back to posting some history. BM doesn't even know the meaning of the words abusive and cruel. My wife's ancestors were amoung the most barbaric, cruel and salvage cultures when it comes to warfare in the entire history of Colombia. (And they've had some pretty stiff competition over the last 500 years.)
BM really needs to read some history. I spent most of yesterday typing out some history in response to a post by Lucidade. Maybe I'll crosspost it to my Bolívar thread.
(What the hell does profane mean, anyway?)
From: slackerx
8/3/21
We all live in a multicultural world, and everybody's got their traditions.
In some cultures, when you get married, they hit you upside the head with a broom and play the Violin.
What is it that you have against multiculturalism, anyway?
Roots 2016 Episode 2 - Wedding scene
- Edited August 3, 2021 10:09 am by slackerx
From: slackerx
8/3/21
BullyMan said...el gringo (ramseylurker) said...BullyMan said...The days of the Nomad in Israel are over
BM
Thank you for your input.
It's always good to get the opinions of white male Brits regarding multiculturalism in foreign lands.
I live in Israel have done for 44 years .
If you have anything to say which adds up to anything more than your usual shite go ahead , if not dont bother
BM
Look, I understand that you see yourself as a great Warrior. But somehow you've become unballanced.
This dude saw himself as a great Warrior, as well. He made a pact with the devil, and exchanged his soul for an Uzi, which he passed on to a little 9 year old girl who scored a head shot on her very first try. Instant karma. Dude was playing with forces he didn't understand. He lost his ballance. He was no Warrior. A True Warrior needs to be conscious of the forces that she or he is playing with.
9-year-old girl accidentally kills shooting instructor with Uzi
This is what a True Warrior looks like:
ESPEJO RETROVISOR - BAMBUCO PATIANO
- Edited August 3, 2021 11:00 am by slackerx
From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)
8/4/21
bml00 said:...or you have converted to Judaism via the Orthodox route
Can he do this?
From: bml00
8/4/21
Of course he can covert to Judaism correctly , his problem (I am just guessing this ) is that via the Orthodox route takes time and it takes time deliberately to make sure the convert is sincere .
The other conversion routes via (as an example) Liberal or Reform Judaism are MUCH quicker but the problem he would have is that they are not recognized (yet) in Israel as being acceptable .
His options are to get married in Cyprus in a civil ceremony then come back to Israel , register the marriage which is then legally accepted under civil law but not Religious and in his case as the Women is Jewish then their Kids will be Jewish with no questions asked .
BM
- Edited August 4, 2021 5:13 am by bml00
From: slackerx
8/4/21
bml00 said:Of course he can covert to Judaism correctly
By "correctly" he means Orthodox. Black Catholics have had similar problems with being considered as unorthodox, but it's improving. (One white catholic in the OP forum even called Black Catholicism "shit".) Aparently, similar problems exist within Judaism as well.
https://www.everyculture.com/South-America/Afro-Colombians-Religion-and-Expressive-Culture.html
In the Pacific region, the presence of the church was rather weak, and many religious rites are practiced outside the direct control of the clergy. There are festivals to venerate a saint or the Virgin Mary, an image of whom is processed through a settlement and often down a river—in a town such as Quibdó, capital of the department of Chocó, the Fiestas de San Pacho (Saint Francis of Assisi) have the aspect of a carnival as different barrios compete to present the best procession and float over twelve days. Velorios, or wakes to propitiate a saint, are usually sponsored by a specific person who provides drink, tobacco, and food. There are also wakes to commemorate the death of a person. Music is a vital element in these rites, with cantadoras (female singers), who may also take role of rezanderas (prayer sayers). Aguardiente (rum) is commonly taken by the participants to combat the coldness of the deceased; beyond the immediate circle of the corpse, where respect is shown, people play dominoes, drink rum, and tell stories and jokes. At the velorio of a child (whose soul is considered to go directly to heaven, a cause for rejoicing), there may be some merriment and perhaps games that may have sexual overtones.
Less research has been conducted in the Caribbean coastal region but one study shows extensive similarities between this region and the Pacific coast, although perhaps greater attention is accorded to spirits than to saints. In Palenque de San Basilio, the cabildo lumbalú consists of elders who officiate at velorios with drumming, singing, and dancing to help the deceased's departure. Spirits of the deceased are called upon to aid the living and must therefore be propitiated and managed carefully through ritual means, for example during the velorio, when many precautions are taken to prevent the spirit's return or anger. Ritual specialists, often women, are accorded prestige and respect. Some observers interpret the interest shown in spirits and saints as in some measure related to African religious concerns with ancestral spirits and the propitiation of deities. It is hard to discount some African influences, but velorios and a concern with spirits and saints are also widespread in non-Black areas.
Work in the Cauca region has focused on elements that are in fact common in other Black (and indeed non-Black) regions: the use of magic and sorcery to attack one's enemies, bring good fortune, influence one's sexual partners, and defend oneself against the machinations of others. Sorcery is often used where envidia, envy, is rife and this in turn may be the result of perceived transgressions against norms of reciprocity, which occur when a person enjoys some material success and is thought to forget his or her obligations as a friend or relative. In this area, too, the pact made with the devil to increase a worker's output and wages has been documented. The gains achieved are fruitless, however—they cannot be usefully invested and must be spent on consumables; the worker will also gradually waste away. In the northern Cauca region, Black people also celebrate various festivals, including the Adoration of the Child.
There is very little information available on medical practices among Black Colombians. In general terms, as among many peoples all over Latin America, health is considered to be a balance between "hot" and "cold" forces and elements that affect the body: the cold of a corpse can be threatening, for example, and is combated by the heat of rum. Also, health and welfare are affected by the machinations of others through sorcery, and recourse can be made to healers to defend against these threats, whether to person or property. In the Pacific region, Indian shamans (called jaibanas in the department of Chocó) are considered the most powerful healers: they and their patients may use pildé, a relative of the hallucinogenic Banisteriopsis caapi vine (ayahuasca), to induce visions. In the Chocó, Black curers are called raicilleros (raicilla means "rootlet" but also refers to the ipecac root); they diagnose illness by examining urine samples. When they are given a sign that healing is their vocation, raicilleros begin a seven-year training with various teachers. Less specialized healers are called yerbateros (herbalists).
Music in Black regions of Colombia is varied and rich. In the department of Chocó, the chirimía band—based on clarinets, drums, and cymbals—plays versions of European-derived dances (e.g., mazurka, polka); there are also alabaos (religious songs), romances (ballads), and décimas (ten-line stanzas). Further south in the Pacific region, currulao, played with marimba, drums, and voices, is a central genre generally thought to have a more African derivation. In the northern Cauca region, fugas (fugues) and coplas (rhyming couplets) are European-derived forms that are widely played and sung among Black people.
In the Caribbean coast region, there is a huge variety of styles, including the cumbia, which exists in both folkloric and commercialized forms. Music there is often held to be of triethnic origin, but the major inputs have come from European and African traditions in a complex cultural interchange. During the twentieth century, genres f
- Edited August 4, 2021 6:44 am by slackerx