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Mass shootings in the US   America - all of it

Started 10/3/17 by Jenifer (Zarknorph); 69055 views.
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Johneeo

From: Johneeo

10/4/17

Check out Jimmy Kimmel's monologue.

Brilliant.

Jenifer (Zarknorph)

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

10/4/17

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Love ya, Johnno, but it doesn't work like that.

If you are going to make such a bold, sweeping claim that all these shooters were Democratic party members, and therefore "Loony Leftist Terrorists", then please provide proof.

Remember- Google is at your disposal.

Just do one at a time!

Cheers,

Jenifer

Jenifer (Zarknorph)

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

10/4/17

I watched the whole thing.  I have some issues.

I would really appreciate it if you answered all my points.

Are you saying that because a musket in 1776 was a military grade weapon - and therefore allowable - it is the same as an AK47 or an AR15 or M16?

If you truly want to uphold the spirit of the 2nd Amendment - AS IT WAS WRITTEN - then surely people can only have muskets?

Now the other point was the 1st amendment, and as it applies to television:   

I disagree that TV can be construed as an unforeseeable mode of communication, and therefore applied as an argument.  The reason being that television essentially delivers similar content. 

Bear with me. 

Humans are storytellers.  We have been for millennia. Television is just another form of delivering news, stories and entertainment.  Now I openly oppose some of the crap on TV right now.  But there is a HUGE difference between The Bachelor eroding the sanctity of marriage and an 18 year old kid having the God given right to buy a semi-automatic rifle.  

The money that the NRA gives to running candidates varies from site to site.  But we are in the handful of millions at the small end and hundreds of millions at the extreme end.

The argument that the debate should not be conducted in the immediate wake of a disaster is flawed.  If the debate does not happen now, then in a few weeks another major news story will come along, the American people will get sidetracked and the issue will die.  It should be talked about while everything is still raw.

So a judge has to rule you incompetent before your gun licence can be revoked...?

Where does the judge come in?  What has to happen before you see that judge?  How long does it take to get your hearing?  What can you buy and stash while you wait for your court date?

Okay - Is there a difference between buying a gun at a gun show and buying a gun at a registered store?  What guns can you buy online?  What happens if your grandfather dies and has a bunch of guns in his house?  What background checks are in place in order for you to inherit those guns? 

What did you PERSONALLY have to do to buy your guns?  Could you have bought a gun from your neighbour, no questions asked?

I agree that it is wrong to doubt the sincerity of the sorrow you have for any victims of a mass shooting just because of your personal stance on gun legislation.

The police who took down Paddock did NOT have the same firepower that he did.  When was the last time you saw a state trooper or a beat cop wandering around with an AK47?

If machine guns have been illegal since 1986, how did Paddock get one?

I agree that feelings are strong right now - but they should be.  When Americans STOP caring about gun massacres, THEN you have a problem.

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I really want to know your thoughts on all these points.

Cheers,

Jenifer

Bike (URALTOURIST1)

From: Bike (URALTOURIST1)

10/4/17

Reading your list of places of gun massacres, I see ONE place where total and rigid gun control was in effect, Ft Hood.  On military bases NO ONE is allowed to hold or possess in their quarters or on their persons any firearm.  The only guns out there out are in hands of on duty police and active training soldiers.  In off duty or post training, all weapons are returned to controlled mass storage, NOT in quarters, not even MP's are allowed weapons in their homes, checking them out as they go on duty and returning them at shift end.

How is it that the safest gun free place in America had a massacre?

Bike (URALTOURIST1)

From: Bike (URALTOURIST1)

10/4/17

Interesting tidbit:

https://www.clickorlando.com/video/volusia-beach-patrol-officers-could-carry-rifles

Beach patrol in Volusia County may be issued assault rifles as matter of routine.

Jenifer (Zarknorph)

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

10/4/17

What was the weapon used at Fort Hood?

How did the shooter get it in?

And how in the hell did Paddock get all those firearms into that hotel??!!!

How many trips to the car did he take???

Jenifer (Zarknorph)

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

10/4/17

No one mentioned anything about the training that the beach patrol will get with regard to operating a higher powered weapon.

For all you know, these guys are glorified parking inspectors!

Bike (URALTOURIST1)

From: Bike (URALTOURIST1)

10/4/17

10 suitcases could easily hold a dozen or more significant weapons, and being a well known high roller, he was expected to be a bit eccentric.  Heck, he may have had the bellboy cart the suitcases up for him.

The Ft Hood guy was a Major in the Army Medical Corps and used his personal handgun weapon that he had on base illegally.  As I said, military bases are the safest places on the planet against illegal weapons use, the Nadal Massacre was such an aberration that the rules of normal events did not apply.  Handguns and enough ammunition to cause real grief can be carried easily, especially if wearing BDU (Battle Dress Utility) or field baggy uniforms with many pockets.  These combat based uniforms of many pockets are a recent change, used to be the only time you saw them was in the field or on maneuvers, now they are used as general utility for everyone instead of old style relaxed uniforms.

Bike (URALTOURIST1)

From: Bike (URALTOURIST1)

10/4/17

These are the Beach Lifeguards and paramedic staff on beaches.  Not sure I see any real need for rifle prepared lifeguards but the ones with these are and will be sworn police qualified persons, pretty much as many are already designated.  The tower sitters are usually not armed but the vehicle officers are most likely pistol equipped as we speak.

HWPeeler (HPeeler)

From: HWPeeler (HPeeler)

10/4/17

Paddock was in that hotel room for three days. He had lots of time to make trips from car to room. It was illegal to have a gun in the hotel / casino but no metal detectors to spot them.

Motive?

I am guessing he really did not want the ex-wife to get anything in the divorce. The law suits against his estate will tie it up for ever.

Questions ... was he fatally ill? Autopsy will tell. Did he really hate his ex-wife so bad that he justified killing so many people. His girl friend might have an answer here.

I don't think he had any anger for the crowd. They just happen to be convenient.

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