Coalition of the Confused

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Confused malcontents swilling Chardonnay while awaiting the Zombie Apocalypse.

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From: jra2750


Presidents don't create jobs...the marketplace does.


From: BerrySteph


jra2750 said:

Let's see who is brace enough to  tell Mr. Trump that he cannot take that oil.  It's against int'l law.

Far from it be for me to start mumbling about the rogue nation.

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)


Like telling a toddler "No. You can't have it".

And here comes the tantrum!

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Di (amina046)

From: Di (amina046)


No way this man comitted suicide in the street!


From: BerrySteph


Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

The British founder of an organisation that trained the Syrian White Helmets emergency response group is found dead in Istanbul.

The Syrians reckon these guys are terrorists.

Certainly much more so than the Holy Land Foundation, its founders now serving between 15 and 65 years in the gulag.

The Holy Land Foundation (HLF) was the largest Islamic charity in the United States. Headquartered in Richardson, Texas,[1] and run by Palestinian-Americans ... its mission was to "find and implement practical solutions for human suffering through humanitarian programs that impact the lives of the disadvantaged, disinherited, and displaced peoples suffering from man-made and natural disasters."

In December 2001, the U.S. government designated HLF a terrorist organization, seized its assets, and closed the organization after many years of surveillance authorized under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act ("FISA").[3] In 2004, a federal grand jury in Dallas, Texas charged HLF and five former officers and employees with providing material support to Hamas and related offenses. The prosecution's theory was that HLF distributed charity through local zakat (charity) committees located in the West Bank that paid stipends to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers and Hamas prisoners; that Hamas controlled those zakat committees; that by distributing charity through Hamas-controlled committees, HLF helped Hamas build a "grassroots" support amongst the Palestinian people; and that these charity front organizations served a dual purpose of laundering the money for all of Hamas's activities.[4]

Simultaneously, in November 2004, a U.S. Magistrate Judge Arlander Keys ruled that HLF, along with Hamas-linked organizations the Islamic Association of Palestine (IAP), were liable for a 1996 killing of 17-year-old David Boim in Israel.[5] This decision was the first time U.S. citizens or organizations were held liable under a 1990 federal law that permitted victims of terrorism to sue for civil damages.

The first trial, in 2007, ended in the partial acquittal of one defendant and a hung jury on all other charges. At a retrial in 2008, the jury found all defendants guilty on all counts. The 2008 trial of the charity leaders was the "largest terrorism financing prosecution in American history."[6] In 2009, the founders of the organization were given sentences of between 15 and 65 years in prison for "funneling $12 million to Hamas."[7]

  • Abu-Baker was sentenced to 65 years.
  • Elashi, also a member of the founding Board of Directors of the Texas branch of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), was sentenced to 65 years.
  • Mufid Abdulqader was sentenced to 20 years.
  • Abdelrahman Odeh was sentenced to 15 years.
  • El-Mezain, former endowments director, sentenced to 15 years.

... A 2011 NPR report claimed some of the people associated with this group were imprisoned in a highly restrictive Communication Management Unit.[48]

... December 7, 2011, the court of appeals affirmed the convictions and sentences.[49] The court found that the trial court had erred in admitting each of the additional items of evidence ... contended that the four erroneously admitted items of evidence were the key differences between the first trial, where the jury did not return a single guilty verdict, and the second trial, where the jury returned guilty verdicts on every count.[52] The court of appeals denied the petition for rehearing without comment.[53]

... On October 29, 2012, the United States Supreme Court denied the petition for writ of certiorari.[57][58][59]

British barrister Francis FitzGibbon QC has called the second trial a 'show trial' which relied on 'untested and untestable evidence,' hearsay evidence, prejudicial evidence, and the showing to the jury of additional material which was not part of the evidence at all. These add up to 'patent failings and abuses in the legal process.'[46] FitzGibbon also doubts the strength of the prosecution's case because, among other reasons, the United States Agency for International Development funded the same zakat committees named in the indictment of the HLF, and continued to do so for three years after it had shut down the HLF.[46]

.... Levitt claimed this was the result of a flawed vetting system ... USAID lacked even a procedure to verify the accuracy of individual's names. .. .USAID did not vet recipients that received funds under $25,000 from 2001 to 2003 and under $100,000 post 2003 until 2006 when the threshold returned to $25,000.[60]

In 2018 Miko Peled (son of an Israeli general) ... book, "Injustice: The Story of the Holy Land Foundation Five" ... "the American justice [ ] can convict a hundred innocents for one who is guilty".[61]


From: bml00


Mayday Rescue is of course the topic and nothing at all to do with the Holy Land Foundation (there is no relationship or thread)

The organization which was not a profit based foundation had received the incredible amount of over $120 MILLION dollars from many sources and it is not beyond reasonable doubt that somewhere in this sordid sad story is the evil which is money a lot of which was sloshing around

There has been a perpetual claim that the White Hats and Mayday were fronts for Intel agencies as they would be able to get into the most troubled spots ...



From: BerrySteph


bml00 said:

There has been a perpetual claim that the White Hats and Mayday were fronts for Intel agencies as they would be able to get into the most troubled spots ...

That more or less goes without saying.


From: Harold27Z


Turkey should send them all home.  Europe does not need them.

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