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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

Nov-12

Di (amina046)

From: Di (amina046)

Nov-12

No way this man comitted suicide in the street!

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Nov-13

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

The British founder of an organisation that trained the Syrian White Helmets emergency response group is found dead in Istanbul.

The Syrians reckon these guys are terrorists.

Certainly much more so than the Holy Land Foundation, its founders now serving between 15 and 65 years in the gulag.

The Holy Land Foundation (HLF) was the largest Islamic charity in the United States. Headquartered in Richardson, Texas,[1] and run by Palestinian-Americans ... its mission was to "find and implement practical solutions for human suffering through humanitarian programs that impact the lives of the disadvantaged, disinherited, and displaced peoples suffering from man-made and natural disasters."

In December 2001, the U.S. government designated HLF a terrorist organization, seized its assets, and closed the organization after many years of surveillance authorized under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act ("FISA").[3] In 2004, a federal grand jury in Dallas, Texas charged HLF and five former officers and employees with providing material support to Hamas and related offenses. The prosecution's theory was that HLF distributed charity through local zakat (charity) committees located in the West Bank that paid stipends to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers and Hamas prisoners; that Hamas controlled those zakat committees; that by distributing charity through Hamas-controlled committees, HLF helped Hamas build a "grassroots" support amongst the Palestinian people; and that these charity front organizations served a dual purpose of laundering the money for all of Hamas's activities.[4]

Simultaneously, in November 2004, a U.S. Magistrate Judge Arlander Keys ruled that HLF, along with Hamas-linked organizations the Islamic Association of Palestine (IAP), were liable for a 1996 killing of 17-year-old David Boim in Israel.[5] This decision was the first time U.S. citizens or organizations were held liable under a 1990 federal law that permitted victims of terrorism to sue for civil damages.

The first trial, in 2007, ended in the partial acquittal of one defendant and a hung jury on all other charges. At a retrial in 2008, the jury found all defendants guilty on all counts. The 2008 trial of the charity leaders was the "largest terrorism financing prosecution in American history."[6] In 2009, the founders of the organization were given sentences of between 15 and 65 years in prison for "funneling $12 million to Hamas."[7]

  • Abu-Baker was sentenced to 65 years.
  • Elashi, also a member of the founding Board of Directors of the Texas branch of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), was sentenced to 65 years.
  • Mufid Abdulqader was sentenced to 20 years.
  • Abdelrahman Odeh was sentenced to 15 years.
  • El-Mezain, former endowments director, sentenced to 15 years.

... A 2011 NPR report claimed some of the people associated with this group were imprisoned in a highly restrictive Communication Management Unit.[48]

... December 7, 2011, the court of appeals affirmed the convictions and sentences.[49] The court found that the trial court had erred in admitting each of the additional items of evidence ... contended that the four erroneously admitted items of evidence were the key differences between the first trial, where the jury did not return a single guilty verdict, and the second trial, where the jury returned guilty verdicts on every count.[52] The court of appeals denied the petition for rehearing without comment.[53]

... On October 29, 2012, the United States Supreme Court denied the petition for writ of certiorari.[57][58][59]

British barrister Francis FitzGibbon QC has called the second trial a 'show trial' which relied on 'untested and untestable evidence,' hearsay evidence, prejudicial evidence, and the showing to the jury of additional material which was not part of the evidence at all. These add up to 'patent failings and abuses in the legal process.'[46] FitzGibbon also doubts the strength of the prosecution's case because, among other reasons, the United States Agency for International Development funded the same zakat committees named in the indictment of the HLF, and continued to do so for three years after it had shut down the HLF.[46]

.... Levitt claimed this was the result of a flawed vetting system ... USAID lacked even a procedure to verify the accuracy of individual's names. .. .USAID did not vet recipients that received funds under $25,000 from 2001 to 2003 and under $100,000 post 2003 until 2006 when the threshold returned to $25,000.[60]

In 2018 Miko Peled (son of an Israeli general) ... book, "Injustice: The Story of the Holy Land Foundation Five" ... "the American justice [ ] can convict a hundred innocents for one who is guilty".[61] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Land_Foundation_for_Relief_and_Development#2008_retrial_and_convictions

bml00

From: bml00

Nov-13

Mayday Rescue is of course the topic and nothing at all to do with the Holy Land Foundation (there is no relationship or thread)

The organization which was not a profit based foundation had received the incredible amount of over $120 MILLION dollars from many sources and it is not beyond reasonable doubt that somewhere in this sordid sad story is the evil which is money a lot of which was sloshing around

There has been a perpetual claim that the White Hats and Mayday were fronts for Intel agencies as they would be able to get into the most troubled spots ...

BM

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Nov-13

bml00 said:

There has been a perpetual claim that the White Hats and Mayday were fronts for Intel agencies as they would be able to get into the most troubled spots ...

That more or less goes without saying.

Harold27Z

From: Harold27Z

Nov-14

Turkey should send them all home.  Europe does not need them.

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

Feb-15

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Feb-22

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

Families fleeing air strikes and advancing troops in Syria's Idlib province are sleeping rough in streets and olive groves, and burning toxic bundles of rubbish to stay warm in the biting winter weather.

Its almost certain that occupation forces brought about most of the suffering in Syria.

Its what we do, and its part of a campaign to impoverish and rob - and now mass-kill - brown people.

In Syria we can immediately identify one major culprit - Israel next door, as has been in occupation of the country for over 50 years and has flooded it with destitute people. Done so continuously as far as I can tell, 99.94% expulsion of the Christians who lived there, down from 18,000 to 12. 80% of the Druze (as BM insists that Israel likes and get on withi).

More recents the US and UK has done the same, flooding it with destitute people from next door in Iraq.

This woman (much like most Iraqis under Saddam, willingly or not) was once a fan of the Americans:

April 9, 2013 marks ten years since the fall of Baghdad. Ten years since the invasion. ... what have our occupiers and their Iraqi governments given us in ten years? What have our puppets achieved in this last decade? What have we learned?

We learned a lot.

We learned that ... even in death you can be unlucky. Lucky ones die a ‘normal’ death ... unlucky ones have to be collected in bits and pieces. Their families trying to bury what can be salvaged and scraped off of streets

... We learned that you can be floating on a sea of oil, but your people can be destitute. Your city can be an open sewer; your women and children can be eating out of trash dumps and begging for money in foreign lands.

We learned that justice does not prevail in this day and age. Innocent people are persecuted and executed daily. Some of them in courts, some of them in streets, and some of them in the private torture chambers.

We are learning that corruption is the way to go. You want a passport issued? Pay someone. You want a document ratified? Pay someone. You want someone dead? Pay someone.

... We are learning that those amenities we took for granted before 2003, you know - the luxuries - electricity, clean water from faucets, walkable streets, safe schools - those are for deserving populations. Those are for people who don’t allow occupiers into their country.

We’re learning that the biggest fans of the occupation (you know who you are, you traitors) eventually leave abroad. And where do they go? The USA, most likely, with the UK a close second. If I were an American, I’d be outraged. After spending so much money and so many lives, I’d expect the minor Chalabis and Malikis and Hashimis of Iraq to, well, stay in Iraq. Invest in their country.

... We’re learning that the masks are off. No one is ashamed of the hypocrisy anymore. You can be against one country (like Iran), but empowering them somewhere else (like in Iraq). You can claim to be against religious extremism (like in Afghanistan), but promoting religious extremism somewhere else (like in Iraq and Egypt and Syria).

... And then there are things we'd like to learn...

Ahmed Chalabi, Iyad Allawi, Ibrahim Jaafari, Tarek Al Hashemi and the rest of the vultures, where are they now? Have they crawled back under their rocks in countries like the USA, the UK, etc.? Where will Maliki be in a year or two? Will he return to Iran or take the millions he made off of killing Iraqis and then seek asylum in some European country? Far away from the angry Iraqi masses ...

What about George Bush, Condi, Wolfowitz, and Powell? Will they ever be held accountable for the devastation and the death they wrought in Iraq? Saddam was held accountable for 300,000 Iraqis ... Surely someone should be held accountable for the million or so?

Finally, after all is said and done, we shouldn't forget what this was about - making America safer ... And are you safer Americans? If you are, why is it that we hear more and more about attacks on your embassies and diplomats? Why is it that you are constantly warned to not go to this country or that one? Is it better now, ten years down the line? Do you feel safer, with hundreds of thousands of Iraqis out of the way (granted half of them were women and children, but children grow up, right?)?

And what happened to Riverbend and my family? I eventually moved from Syria. I moved before the heavy fighting, before it got ugly. That’s how fortunate I was. I moved to another country nearby, stayed almost a year, and then made another move to a third Arab country with the hope that, this time, it’ll stick until ... Until when? Even the pessimists aren’t sure anymore. When will things improve? When will be able to live normally? How long will it take?

For those of you who are disappointed reality has reared its ugly head again, go to Fox News, I'm sure they have a reportage that will soothe your conscience. http://riverbendblog.blogspot.co.uk/

And yet, what Iraq needs is more American troops to kill more Iraqis. Obvious really, don't know why I didn't think of that.

bml00

From: bml00

Feb-22

Both Russia and Syria are currently bombing and attacking hospitals with remorseless effort , the defence of such actions is reprehensible .

The deaths of 1/2 million people in this civil war which has not fractured into an unfathomable mess has created umpteen myths , distortions and lies all of which BERRY feeds off.

Israel will not tolerate either HEZBOLLAH or Iran in SYRIA , they have not come to rescue Assad they have come to secure their own strategic positions which are threatened by the arrival of ISIL, then the Turks and the US and the intervention of Israel BUT Israel played no part in the civil war , it looks at all times for stability on its borders.

With Assad there was no war (no peace) but no conflict he knew he was on an hiding to nothing so he kept away and the status quo remained - we tried twice to make peace to return the land to him and twice he demanded more and now he has nothing

We have treated thousands of Syrians who stream to the Israeli border for assistance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur2v5w3CIyk

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