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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

Feb-15

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Feb-22

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

Families fleeing air strikes and advancing troops in Syria's Idlib province are sleeping rough in streets and olive groves, and burning toxic bundles of rubbish to stay warm in the biting winter weather.

Its almost certain that occupation forces brought about most of the suffering in Syria.

Its what we do, and its part of a campaign to impoverish and rob - and now mass-kill - brown people.

In Syria we can immediately identify one major culprit - Israel next door, as has been in occupation of the country for over 50 years and has flooded it with destitute people. Done so continuously as far as I can tell, 99.94% expulsion of the Christians who lived there, down from 18,000 to 12. 80% of the Druze (as BM insists that Israel likes and get on withi).

More recents the US and UK has done the same, flooding it with destitute people from next door in Iraq.

This woman (much like most Iraqis under Saddam, willingly or not) was once a fan of the Americans:

April 9, 2013 marks ten years since the fall of Baghdad. Ten years since the invasion. ... what have our occupiers and their Iraqi governments given us in ten years? What have our puppets achieved in this last decade? What have we learned?

We learned a lot.

We learned that ... even in death you can be unlucky. Lucky ones die a ‘normal’ death ... unlucky ones have to be collected in bits and pieces. Their families trying to bury what can be salvaged and scraped off of streets

... We learned that you can be floating on a sea of oil, but your people can be destitute. Your city can be an open sewer; your women and children can be eating out of trash dumps and begging for money in foreign lands.

We learned that justice does not prevail in this day and age. Innocent people are persecuted and executed daily. Some of them in courts, some of them in streets, and some of them in the private torture chambers.

We are learning that corruption is the way to go. You want a passport issued? Pay someone. You want a document ratified? Pay someone. You want someone dead? Pay someone.

... We are learning that those amenities we took for granted before 2003, you know - the luxuries - electricity, clean water from faucets, walkable streets, safe schools - those are for deserving populations. Those are for people who don’t allow occupiers into their country.

We’re learning that the biggest fans of the occupation (you know who you are, you traitors) eventually leave abroad. And where do they go? The USA, most likely, with the UK a close second. If I were an American, I’d be outraged. After spending so much money and so many lives, I’d expect the minor Chalabis and Malikis and Hashimis of Iraq to, well, stay in Iraq. Invest in their country.

... We’re learning that the masks are off. No one is ashamed of the hypocrisy anymore. You can be against one country (like Iran), but empowering them somewhere else (like in Iraq). You can claim to be against religious extremism (like in Afghanistan), but promoting religious extremism somewhere else (like in Iraq and Egypt and Syria).

... And then there are things we'd like to learn...

Ahmed Chalabi, Iyad Allawi, Ibrahim Jaafari, Tarek Al Hashemi and the rest of the vultures, where are they now? Have they crawled back under their rocks in countries like the USA, the UK, etc.? Where will Maliki be in a year or two? Will he return to Iran or take the millions he made off of killing Iraqis and then seek asylum in some European country? Far away from the angry Iraqi masses ...

What about George Bush, Condi, Wolfowitz, and Powell? Will they ever be held accountable for the devastation and the death they wrought in Iraq? Saddam was held accountable for 300,000 Iraqis ... Surely someone should be held accountable for the million or so?

Finally, after all is said and done, we shouldn't forget what this was about - making America safer ... And are you safer Americans? If you are, why is it that we hear more and more about attacks on your embassies and diplomats? Why is it that you are constantly warned to not go to this country or that one? Is it better now, ten years down the line? Do you feel safer, with hundreds of thousands of Iraqis out of the way (granted half of them were women and children, but children grow up, right?)?

And what happened to Riverbend and my family? I eventually moved from Syria. I moved before the heavy fighting, before it got ugly. That’s how fortunate I was. I moved to another country nearby, stayed almost a year, and then made another move to a third Arab country with the hope that, this time, it’ll stick until ... Until when? Even the pessimists aren’t sure anymore. When will things improve? When will be able to live normally? How long will it take?

For those of you who are disappointed reality has reared its ugly head again, go to Fox News, I'm sure they have a reportage that will soothe your conscience. http://riverbendblog.blogspot.co.uk/

And yet, what Iraq needs is more American troops to kill more Iraqis. Obvious really, don't know why I didn't think of that.

bml00

From: bml00

Feb-22

Both Russia and Syria are currently bombing and attacking hospitals with remorseless effort , the defence of such actions is reprehensible .

The deaths of 1/2 million people in this civil war which has not fractured into an unfathomable mess has created umpteen myths , distortions and lies all of which BERRY feeds off.

Israel will not tolerate either HEZBOLLAH or Iran in SYRIA , they have not come to rescue Assad they have come to secure their own strategic positions which are threatened by the arrival of ISIL, then the Turks and the US and the intervention of Israel BUT Israel played no part in the civil war , it looks at all times for stability on its borders.

With Assad there was no war (no peace) but no conflict he knew he was on an hiding to nothing so he kept away and the status quo remained - we tried twice to make peace to return the land to him and twice he demanded more and now he has nothing

We have treated thousands of Syrians who stream to the Israeli border for assistance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur2v5w3CIyk

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Feb-22

bml00 said:

Israel will not tolerate either HEZBOLLAH or Iran in SYRIA

Hezbollah threw you out of Lebanon after 18 years of massacres and torture and death squads.

And it looks as if it was you bombed the Marines barracks in Beirut, killing 240 Americans.

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bml00

From: bml00

Feb-22

We have attacked destroyed over hundred times last year Hezbollah assets - uhm not a sausage in reply

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5lzpBc9aks

BM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggp_EKuhzlY

  • Edited February 22, 2020 11:36 am  by  bml00
BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Feb-22

bml00 said:

We have attacked destroyed over hundred times last year Hezbollah assets - uhm not a sausage in reply

You must be so proud to have better guns than the natives.

Same thing you were so pleased about in 1948 and 1967 and 1982.

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bml00

From: bml00

Feb-23

It is a certainty that Berry embraces all terrorist groups no matter where and who, his active consistent Defence of the Nazis is merely an example 

BM

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

Feb-23

BerrySteph said:

Its almost certain that occupation forces brought about most of the suffering in Syria.

I think it's a bit more complicated than that.

Image result for who is fighting who in syria

bml00

From: bml00

Feb-23

Currently there is open military action between Syria and Turkey with both attacking positions held by each other , this is going to get worse unless Russia defuses it , the Syrians without the Russians in a Turkish/Syrian conflict would get thrashed .

As I mentioned previously a civil war has now turned into implacable mayhem , the downing last week of a Syrian Helicopter by a MAN PAD indicates that the Turks are investing heavily in anti Assad forces who are fighting as proxies for Turkey . 

BM

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/22/tensions-escalate-in-syria-as-another-turkish-soldier-dies

  • Edited February 23, 2020 6:35 am  by  bml00
BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Feb-23

bml00 said:

It is a certainty that Berry embraces all terrorist groups no matter where and who, his active consistent Defence of the Nazis is merely an example 

I've never defended the Nazis - I've condemned them for over-running their borders and persecuting minorities.

Nor have I defended any terrorists.

You're the one doing that, over and over and over again.

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