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bml00

From: bml00

10/11/19

Give the imbecile (the poster) any opportunity to create a conspiracy theory - all of Trumps assets are insured to the Hilt so any threats are hollow.

Israel has the Golan Heights but twice has offered to negotiate to return them - TWICE

We have no other land in SYRIA nor need any more land , we have the strategic ability to dissuade anybody from coming too close

BM

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

10/12/19

You have to think of it from Trump's point of view.

The Kurds have no home, no state... no Real Estate.

Turkey has a Trump Tower.

No brainier for Trump, who is looking beyond the annoying government job he is forced to do until November 2020.

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10/12/19

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10/12/19

bml00

From: bml00

10/12/19

Trump tower is more likely franchised and not his but using his name and business model

BM

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

10/12/19

bml00 said:  Israel has the Golan Heights but twice has offered to negotiate to return them - TWICE

You lie.

Unlike Gaza (as you'd foolishly hemmed in) you were able to ethnically cleanse it - targeting the Christians even more than you targeted the Druze (your supposed "allies").

99.94% ethnic cleansing of the Christians in 50 years - true, isn't it?

bml00 said: We have no other land in SYRIA nor need any more land , we have the strategic ability to dissuade anybody from coming too close

You lie.

Even while you tell us that you're operating a total exclusion policy on Syrian territory!

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

10/12/19

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

Recep Tayyip Erdogan warns the European Union his government would allow millions of refugees to head to Europe in a rant against critics of Turkey's military offensive in Syria.

It is with deep regret that I have to back Erdogan on this.

Turkey cannot take vast numbers of destitute Syrian refugees (Germany and Sweden is having huge problems with much smaller numbers of pre-selected intact middle-class families).

And Turkey is doing the right thing - they're doing what Syria and Lebanon and Jordan and Egypt should have done with the destitute Palestinian refugees.

The world will pay a heavy price because Syria and Lebanon and Jordan and Egypt failed to do what was necessary with the destitute Palestinian refugees.

bml00

From: bml00

10/12/19

Negotiated twice with Syria over the return of the Golan Heights , that the imbecile did not know it is no surprise 

Israel has no other Syrian land 

https://mfa.gov.il/mfa/foreignpolicy/peace/guide/pages/israel-syria%20negotiations.aspx

Additional info available if you so request it

BM

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

10/12/19

bml00 said:  Negotiated twice with Syria over the return of the Golan Heights , that the imbecile did not know it is no surprise  Israel has no other Syrian land  https://mfa.gov.il/mfa/foreignpolicy/peace/guide/pages/israel-syria%20negotiations.aspx Additional info available if you so request it

Negotiation?

What is there to negotiate?

$100 million of compensation to the Christians you've beaten and robbed and killed from their homes? $200 million? $1 billion?

The late Prime Minister Rabin stated that should a peace treaty including a significant withdrawal on the Golan Heights be negotiated with Syria, the proposed treaty will be put to a national referendum before it is signed.

So Israel wasn't even offering to do what it was required to do by every possible legal and moral code - along with the demand of the entire world, as expressed in 7 UNSC resolutions over 20 years.

Besides which, its clear that, whatever Syria promised you, it wasn't going to be accepted.

In 1993 you'd just promised Arafat to withdraw from the West Bank - and you were never going to do that either!

The only reason you were talking to Syria atall is that you thought you could have a free hand in Lebanon, that you were barbarically occupying for 18 years.

This is the Israeli version of what you had already done in Lebanon and were continuing to do.

p.242  - "Rise and Kill First The Secret History of Israel's Targeted Assassinations" - by Ronen Bergman, translated by Ronnie Hope

... By mid-September 1981, car bombs were exploding regularly in Palestinian neighborhoods of Beirut and other Lebanese cities. One went off in the Fakhani quarter of Beirut on October 1, killing eighty-three people and wounding three hundred, including many women who were trapped in a fire in a clothing factory owned by the PLO. Another one exploded next to the PLO headquarters in Sidon, killing twenty-three. In December 1981 alone, eighteen bombs in cars or on motorcycles, bicycles, or donkeys blew up near PLO offices or Palestinian concentrations, causing many scores of deaths.

A new and unknown organization calling itself the Front for the Liberation of Lebanon from Foreigners took responsibility for all of these incidents. ... The car bombs were developed in the IDF’s Special Operations Executive (Maarach Ha-Mivtsaim Ha-Meyuchadim), and they involved the use of one of the earliest generations of drones. These drones would relay the beam that would set off the detonation mechanism of the device. One of Dagan’s local agents ... identified the moment they were waiting for, they’d push a button and the car would explode.

Sharon hoped that these operations would provoke Arafat into attacking Israel, which could then respond by invading Lebanon, or at least make the PLO retaliate against the Phalange, whereupon Israel would be able to leap in great force to the defense of the Christians.

The Front for the Liberation of Lebanon from Foreigners ... even claimed responsibility for operations against IDF units. 

Yasser Arafat was not hoodwinked by this ploy. He accused the Mossad of being behind the blasts and the "front." 

... "With Sharon’s backing," one Mossad officer of the time said, "terrible things were done. I am no vegetarian, and I supported and even participated in some of the assassination operations Israel carried out. But we are speaking here about mass killing for killing’s sake, to sow chaos and alarm, among civilians, too. Since when do we send donkeys carrying bombs to blow up in marketplaces?"

Another Mossad man who was in Lebanon at the time said, "I saw from a distance one of the cars blowing up and demolishing an entire street. We were teaching the Lebanese how effective a car bomb could be. Everything that we saw later with Hezbollah sprang from what they saw had happened after these operations."

(Ronen Bergman is enormously well connected and has spoken to many, perhaps most of, Israeli terrorists. In 2018 Haaretz said of this book "... a blockbuster in every sense of the word, whose 630-page body is supplemented by 70 pages of notes and another 10 tightly spaced pages crediting oral and written sources ... provides essential sourcing for hundreds of episodes ... from the pre-state era ... Some of these tales could easily strain credulity – not just because the stories themselves read as if drawn from spy fiction, but also because it’s hard to believe so many of them are being reported here for the first time and in a single volume. However, a perusal of Bergman’s notes informs us that most of the operations described in the book – many of them assassinations – were revealed to him in personal interviews (with more than 1,000 sources, many identified here only by code names) or by way of documents that made their way into his hands ... Anyone who enjoys thrillers will revel in its reading ... even as he or she will be compelled to consider the troubling issues it raises. https://www.haaretz.com/life/.premium.MAGAZINE-israel-s-assassination-program-laid-bare-in-shocking-detail-1.5787663 )

I love it the way that the Mossad people express horror at bombs on donkeys sent into markets - when that's only one of the disgusting techniques by which Israel was created.

Di (amina046)

From: Di (amina046)

10/12/19

Oct. 11, 2019

The Only Thing That Can Save the Kurds

Hint: It’s not the Trump administration.
By Jacob L. Shapiro

Turkey’s long-threatened invasion of Syrian Kurdish territory, euphemistically dubbed “Peace Spring,” commenced on Wedn
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