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Delta Air Lines jacks up health insurance premiums for unvaccinated employees   America - all of it

Started Aug-27 by Raven2018; 7196 views.
Raven2018

From: Raven2018

Sep-15

You cannot (or shouldn't) charge people money, for something that you would never be able to prove (beyond a reasonable doubt) that they did wrong.

If a person, is involved in an automobile accident it can be proven who is at fault, and if one has a habit of causing auto accidents, driving drunk, speeding then their insurance rates should increase.

However, to charge a person extra before they have done any harm ... and may never do any harm ... is ludicrous!

CzoeMC

From: CzoeMC

Sep-15

Raven2018 said:

You cannot (or shouldn't) charge people money, for something that you would never be able to prove (beyond a reasonable doubt) that they did wrong.

The provable part of them doing "wrong" is simply being like a Dennis the Menace, stamping the collective feet as if spoiled princesses, saying "NO NO I WON'T get the vaccine, because libs told me to, and I trust Trump's scientific knowledge more than doctors".

I am so glad that you continue to be in good health, without the vaccine, but more and more people are dying in hospitals every day from covid. The doctors and nurses are overwhelmed (my best friend's hubby is a covid care nurse), and people are afraid to go to the hospital for chest pains, diabetic emergencies, etc, because the hospitals are full up. And they don't want to get the variant, even while vaccinated.

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CzoeMC

From: CzoeMC

Sep-15

CzoeMC said:

(my best friend's hubby is a covid care nurse)

He doesn't like to talk about it much, but when he gets home from work, he leaves the garage and immediately strips off his clothes into the washing machine, takes a shower, and snuggles up to Julie.

Sometimes he cries, about holding someone's hand as they are painfully gasping for breath, taking in their last breaths of air as they die. Family can't be allowed in, so he is their only comfort as they pass. 

So, he as a nurse, will probably have some stress syndrome problems.  Before the vaccinations were available, he had much sympathy, but it is getting harder for him to endure to help those who would not help themselves.

katiek2

From: katiek2

Sep-15

We should have nothing but the greatest admiration for health workers, esp. those working with covid patients.   I have no patience for anti-vaxxers, but do agree a one size fits all mandate is not the way to go.   I can think of no reason to punish persons that have immunity from previous infection, or have verified medical conditions that preclude taking the vaccine.  

CzoeMC

From: CzoeMC

Sep-15

katiek2 said:

or have verified medical conditions that preclude taking the vaccine.  

Certainly, those who can't have the vaccine should be protected from us all who have or not have been vaccinated, herd immunity, but until we have that, masks requirements should be observed and mandated to protect the innocent.

katiek2

From: katiek2

Sep-15

CzoeMC said:

those who can't have the vaccine should be protected from us all who have or not have been vaccinated,

I agree.  The problem with a universal mandate that punishes all who do not get the jab is that it does not take into account persons with verified medical conditions that preclude the vaccine.  It also does not recognize the protection of antibodies due to previous covid infection as a reason not to be forced to be vaccinated. 

CzoeMC said:

masks requirements should be observed and mandated to protect the innocent.

Again, I agree.  However, we were talking about a national vaccination mandate which punishes anyone who refuses to "take the jab" for any reason, not a mask mandate.  Americans are not being fired, or being threatened with losing their jobs, over not wearing a mask.

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

Sep-16

katiek2 said:

The problem with a universal mandate that punishes all who do not get the jab is that it does not take into account persons with verified medical conditions that preclude the vaccine.

Are you sure?

Biden’s order for executive branch workers and contractors includes exceptions for workers seeking religious or medical exemptions from vaccination, according to press secretary Jen Psaki.

Sweeping new vaccine mandates for 100 million Americans (apnews.com)

Raven2018

From: Raven2018

Sep-18

CzoeMC said:

The provable part of them doing "wrong" is simply being like a Dennis the Menace, stamping the collective feet as if spoiled princesses, saying "NO NO I WON'T get the vaccine, because libs told me to, and I trust Trump's scientific knowledge more than doctors". I am so glad that you continue to be in good health, without the vaccine, but more and more people are dying in hospitals every day from covid.

The doctors and nurses are overwhelmed (my best friend's hubby is a covid care nurse), and people are afraid to go to the hospital for chest pains, diabetic emergencies, etc, because the hospitals are full up. And they don't want to get the variant, even while vaccinated.

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Even though it is smaller in numbers, fully vaccinated people are dying from the complications of having contracted Covid-19, and some people are dying from the Covid-19 vaccine, itself. 7 fully vaccinated Florida COVID-19 patients die in what doctors say is extremely rare situation | WFLA

We don't know what possible long-term negative affects there could be from the vaccine, which could show-up in the future? I wouldn't be surprised, if there is damage done to the heart of some people; considering the immediate heart problems/inflammation that some have experienced upon getting the vaccine.

There are millions of people, (like me) who have never had a flu shot; so it has nothing to do with Trump who, is responsible for "Warp Speed," and got vaccinated himself.

I can assure, that I am not a "spoiled princess" ... I have taken everything into consideration, and then made my choice accordingly.

Considering, the advice that Dr. Fauci, the WHO, and the CDC gave from January-March 2o2o I don't know why anyone would, necessarily, trust them?

Nancy Pelosi, didn't do anyone any favors, either, with her advice.

On January 21, 2020, Dr. Fauci said: “This is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States should be worried about right now.
 
On February 24, 2020, The World Health Organization (WHO) said, "The coronavirus that broke out in Wuhan, China, late last year is not a pandemic. WHO Director-General Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said the virus, named COVID-19, is not spreading in an un-contained way. "
 
On February 25, 2020, Nancy Pelosi toured San Francisco's Chinato
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katiek2

From: katiek2

Sep-18

I found nothing in the article you posted that mentions exemptions.  Did I miss it...

Oops - found the statement.  It specifies Federal workers.  I would hope those exemptions apply to everyone.  

  • Edited September 18, 2021 9:06 pm  by  katiek2
Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

Sep-19

katiek2 said:

I would hope those exemptions apply to everyone.

I think he can only grant exemption status to branches of government.  He would not have the right to say what (eg) Walmart does.

As for religious exemptions, however...


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