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Russia and emails and probes, Oh My!   America - all of it

Started 10/24/17 by Jenifer (Zarknorph); 103978 views.
katiek2

From: katiek2

3/24/19

None of those crimes were committed by Trump and none of them had anything to do with collusion with the Russians.  In fact, they were ferreted out only because Mueller went looking for a crime instead of investigating evidence.  In the meantime, actual evidence of the DNC's collusion with Russian operatives has gone uninvestigated and unreported.  The 2-tier justice system is in good working order.

Getting ready for my brother's memorial service now.  If he could have seen at 19 what this country has become, I doubt if he would ever have volunteered for VietNam.  His initial tour of duty was over, and he was offered the chance to go home.  Like many young men of his age, he probably had dreams of glory and gratitude for serving his country.  Instead he ended up with 2 missing legs and 50 years of pain and suffering.  In the past few years he found his "band of brothers", and they will honor him this afternoon.  I can only cry for the young man that came home so broken.

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

3/25/19

Oh, sweetie! Your brother died?

I'm so sorry.

When?

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

3/25/19

Why can't this be over?!!


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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

3/25/19

So what DO we know?

1. Robert Mueller says he found no evidence Trump officials colluded with Russia

The primary aim of Mr Mueller's investigation was to uncover whether any Americans — including members of President Donald Trump's campaign team — conspired with Russia to influence the 2016 election.

His report said there were "multiple offers from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign".

However, Mr Barr said the investigation determined the Trump campaign's actions did not amount to collusion.

"The special counsel's investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 US presidential election," he said.

2. Russia influenced the US election in two ways

According to Mr Barr, Mr Mueller's report confirmed:

  1. A Russian organisation called the Internet Research Agency (IRA) spread false information online and on social media to "sow social discord"
  2. Russian Government actors hacked into computers and released emails from people affiliated with Hillary Clinton's campaign and Democratic Party organisations

But crucially, the report found no evidence that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, worked with the IRA or the Russian Government during those activities.

3. The report did not conclude whether Donald Trump committed a crime

During his investigation, Mr Mueller looked at whether a number of Mr Trump's actions might have obstructed the course of justice.

One of those actions included, for example, firing his FBI director James Comey in May 2017.

Mr Barr said the special counsel made a "thorough factual investigation" into the actions, but did not "draw a conclusion one way or the other" on whether they constituted a crime.

Instead, the report presented evidence "on both sides of the question" and left it up to Mr Barr to decide.

"While this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate (clear) him," the report stated.

4. Mr Barr doesn't think Mr Trump obstructed justice

After reading the report, Mr Barr said he believed there was not enough evidence to establish the President had committed a crime.

"Deputy Attorney-General Rod Rosenstein and I have concluded that the evidence developed during the special counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offence," he said.

"Our determination was made without regard to, and is not based on, the constitutional considerations that surround the indictment and criminal prosecution of a sitting president.

"Generally speaking, to obtain and sustain an obstruction conviction, the Government would need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a person, acting with corrupt intent, engaged in obstructive conduct with a sufficient nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding."

5. It could be some time before we see the report

Mr Barr has promised to release as much of the report as possible, but says some parts of the document are legally sensitive.

As a result, his team now needs to comb through its pages to identify any material that cannot be released by law (they'll get some help from the special counsel to speed up the process).

"As soon as that process is complete, I will be in a position to move forward expeditiously in determining what can be released in light of applicable, law, regulations and departmental policies," he said.

katiek2

From: katiek2

3/25/19

He died March 18 of pancreatic cancer.  We did not know about it, so it was quite a shock.  His memorial was this afternoon, with full military honors.  I'm not grieving as much because he's gone, as I am for the utterly painful life he had to live.  He's at peace now.

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

3/25/19

I'm so sorry, boo.

How was the service?

Di (amina046)

From: Di (amina046)

3/26/19

I hope you find solace in the honours rendered him by his comrades.

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

3/27/19

Now he's on the war path!!


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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

3/27/19

Colbert: All The Other Reasons Trump Is A Bad President

With prosecutable collusion with Russia off the table after Mueller's report was delivered to the AG, Stephen updates the 'Reasons Trump is a Bad President' ...

katiek2

From: katiek2

3/27/19

Thank you both for your kindness.  Mike's memorial was put together by a "band of brothers" he found in the last few years, one of whom adopted him as a father figure.  They did him proud:  Each of them stood and talked about him and how he had helped them with their war demons, and each of them talked about how loved and respected he was.  The memorial ended with a full military 21 gun salute, the playing of "Taps" and folding of the flag, which was presented to our brother.  Our family is forever grateful to these wounded warriors, who took him in as their own, and honored him at the end.

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