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Jerusalem - It's complicated..   Africa and the Middle East

Started 12/7/17 by Jenifer (Zarknorph); 72690 views.
bml00

From: bml00

Sep-25

Several rockets have very recently been launched into Israel 

BM

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

Sep-27

bml00

From: bml00

Sep-27

He is short of a working majority and is very unlikely to form a Government , the larger party (with more Votes and seats) refused to do a deal with him and the one party that could have clinched it wont look at him (Netanayu)

During the coming days (there are to be Numerous major Jewish Holidays over the next 4 weeks ) he will have to appear in front of the Police where it is expected he will be charged

BM

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Sep-28

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said: This must be driving Berry crazy!

Weird posting from you.

Zionism's first crime is probably the uprooting of Jews from all over the world to populate Palestine under the term "Ingathering".

The first victims may have been the followers of the Gaon of Vilna, several hundred forced from their homeland and town around 1808. That's not what BM says of them but its difficult to see it in any other terms.

Palestinians only became victims from 1882.

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Sep-28

bml00 said:

It is interesting but the Russians gave the Jews a very hard time for many decades

Not according to "Fiddler on the Roof". All of them middle-class - when the peasants of the day were very oppressed indeed.

bml00

From: bml00

Sep-29

You are not expected to know or understand the central importance of the Gaon Vilna (the Imbecile also has no real idea)

It is written that every decade within the Jewish World somebody will see something others have not (relating to Jewish Law ) and in this case the Gaon (it means genius) questioned the belief that Jews COULD NOT RETURN TO ISRAEL BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE MESSIAH, this ideal was upheld for many centuries until the Gaon questioned it  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilna_Gaon

The questioning of this edict caused the split / schism seen today between Zionist Jews and their counterparts the Anti Zionist Jews , with the majority of Jews INCLUDING AND I CANNOT OVER STATE THIS the hundreds of Thousands of Anti Zionist devout pious Hassidic Jews now choosing to live in Israel (this number increases all the time) so despite their leaderships (there are dozens of different Hassidic groups each with their own Rabbinical leadership) they now move in their droves to Israel

Jews were not uprooted , transplanted or manipulated they made choices , they had dreamed of return they had prayed for return they had longed to return , the eternal utterings "Next Year in Jerusalem" said at every Passover all over the WORLD had meaning to its words .

Despite the schism there is not a shred of difference in the prayers and customs or traditions between the two groups (Zionist or Anti Zionist) there only difference being is where they should be on the day the Messiah appears (here or there with some of them being not all there!)

BM

  • Edited September 29, 2019 2:19 am  by  bml00
bml00

From: bml00

Sep-29

uhm "Not according to FIDDLER ON THE ROOF" if you ever sought proof of the imbecilic contentious lies and foolishness look and laugh with contempt at the proof that the poster gives .

BM

bml00

From: bml00

Sep-29

This is the end of FIDDLER as the Jews as they had been for centuries were yet again moved on that was the reality of Jewish History.

Today never again will it happen , the wandering is over , we are masters again in our own homeland back where we started .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu_QQLM4biQ

BM

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Sep-29

bml00 said:

in this case the Gaon (it means genius) questioned the belief that Jews COULD NOT RETURN TO ISRAEL BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE MESSIAH, this ideal was upheld for many centuries until the Gaon questioned it  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilna_Gaon

If the Gaon of Vilna did anything of the kind, you've certainly not proved it.

And of course, disproved your own contention there were Jews in Palestine all along (I've estimated there were none for 1213 years - all travellers tales concern heretical Jews condemned then and rejected in modern Israel today).

In 1808CE a few Jews travelled to Palestine supposedly under the influence of the by-then long dead and very, very minor scholar, the Gaon of Vilna. The man would be completely unmemorable if the Zionists hadn't resurrected him for the purpose of justifying their very non-Jewish ideology!

Even the heavily Zionist dominated Wackypedia demonstrates the obscurity of the Gaon of Vilna:

This article includes a list of references, but its sources remain unclear because it has insufficient inline citations. (September 2010)

This article may be written from a fan's point of view, rather than a neutral point of view. (October 2010)

This article's tone or style may not reflect the encyclopedic tone used on Wikipedia. (November 2010)

Elijah ben Shlomo Zalman Kremer, known as the Vilna Gaon [1720 - 1797].. was one of the most influential Rabbinic authorities since the Middle Ages .. Born in Vilnius, capital .. of Lithuania ... a voluminous author ... None were published in his lifetime

... When Hasidic Judaism became influential in his native town, the Vilna Gaon joined the rabbis and heads of the Polish communities known as the Mitnagdim, to curb Hasidic influence. In 1777 one of the first excommunications against the Hasidim was launched in Vilna.

... the Gaon encouraged his chief pupil, Rabbi Chaim Volozhin, to found a yeshiva ... at Volozhin in 1803, some years after the Gaon's death

... When he reached a more mature age, Elijah decided to go into "exile" and he wandered in various parts of Europe including Poland and Germany, as was the custom of the pious of the time. ... He returned to his native town in 1748 [ie age 28], having by then acquired considerable renown.

... The Vilna Gaon was modest; he declined to accept the office of rabbi, though it was often offered to him on the most flattering terms.

... Except for the conflict with the Hasidim, the Vilna Gaon almost never took part in public affairs and, so far as is known, did not preside over any school in Vilna. He was satisfied with lecturing in his bet ha-midrash to a few chosen pupils, whom he initiated into his methods.

... The Gaon once started on a trip to the Land of Israel, but for unknown reasons did not get beyond Germany. ... In accordance with the Vilna Gaon's wishes, three groups of his disciples and their families, numbering over 500, made aliyah to the Land of Israel between 1808 and 1812 [ie 11 years after his death] ... considered to be the beginning of the modern Jewish settlement in Palestine. ... They originally settled in Safed because the Muslim authorities in Jerusalem prevented settlement by Ashkenazi Jews in that city, but after numerous devastating calamities there, including plague and earthquake, most moved to Jerusalem. Their arrival revived the presence of Ashkenazi Jewry in Jerusalem, which for over 100 years had been mainly Sephardi. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaon_of_Vilna

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