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Get your bible out of my uterus!   Religion

Started 2/21/18 by Jenifer (Zarknorph); 9229 views.
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So who are Roe and Wade anyway?

What is Roe v Wade?

Roe v Wade was the landmark Supreme Court case that legalised abortion nationwide in the United States in 1973.

It was brought by Texas woman Norma McCorvey, using the pseudonym Jane Roe, who was unmarried, pregnant and wanted an abortion, but was unable to legally procure one within the state at the time.

Forty-five years ago, states were able to set their own abortion laws and it was only legal to terminate a pregnancy in Texas if it presented a serious risk to the mother's life.

But Ms McCorvey was healthy and could not afford to travel to another state for the procedure.

She argued against the defendant, Dallas County District Attorney Henry Wade, that Texas laws were unconstitutional because they were vague and violated her right to privacy.

The Supreme Court found in her favour, seven to two, and established a new national framework for abortion that all states would have to adhere to.

What was the new framework?

The court ruled that:

  • In the first trimester: All women in the US should have the right to terminate a pregnancy, as abortions are relatively safe during the first three months and the foetus is still underdeveloped
  • In the second trimester: The government has the right to regulate but not ban abortions, as the risks associated with terminating a pregnancy become much greater after 12 weeks. However, the laws must be aimed at protecting the mother
  • In the third trimester: The government has the right to prohibit abortions, as the risks are greatest during the final three months and the foetus is more likely to be able to survive on its own outside the womb. However, a woman should be allowed to terminate a pregnancy if it poses a risk to her life


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So what does this have to do with Brett Kavanaugh?

If confirmed, Judge Kavanaugh will replace Justice Kennedy, who was often the swing vote on key issues such as abortion and gay rights.

So if he's less receptive to abortion, experts say there will be enough conservative support within the Supreme Court to overturn the Roe v Wade decision and once again allow individual states to ban abortions outright.

Does Donald Trump know about this?

Yes, and it was likely one of the key reasons he named Judge Kavanaugh in the first place.

During his election campaign, Mr Trump said abortion should be largely banned in the United States, and he would appoint anti-abortion justices to the Supreme Court who would help overturn the decision.

So how likely is all this to happen?

Immediately after Justice Kennedy announced his retirement, CNN analyst Jeffrey Toobin appearedpretty certain Roe v Wade would be overturned.

And Elizabeth Ingleson, an honorary associate at the United States Studies Centre, agreed it was becoming very likely. She said the real question was how it would all play out.

"Any chance at blocking Mr Trump's nominee would require support from all Senate Democrats and two Republicans," she said.

"There is speculation that Republican senator Susan Collins may be one such senator to block his nominee, but even this is unlikely."


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What states will criminalise abortion if Roe v Wade is overturned?

If Roe v Wade is repealed, Dr Ingleson said Louisiana, Mississippi, North Dakota and South Dakota had "trigger laws" which would immediately make abortion illegal.

And according to the Centre for Reproductive Rights, 19 other states would also have a high risk of losing abortion rights.

However, Dr Ingleson said nine states had laws that would explicitly protect abortion. They are: Washington, Nevada, California, Maine, Connecticut, Maryland, Delaware, Hawaii, Oregon.

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Indonesian incest rape victim, 15, could be sent back to jail for having an abortion

An appeal against the acquittal of a 15-year-old rape victim who was charged with illegal abortion in Indonesia has been condemned by local activists, who say the move is a backward step for the protection of women.

Key points:

  • A 15-year-old rape victim was charged and acquitted of committing an illegal abortion in Indonesia
  • The case has now been appealed by the district court in the province of Jambi
  • Women's rights activists say abortion laws in Indonesia don't do enough to protect women

A regional prosecution office launched the appeal, saying it wanted the case to serve as a lesson to others considering aborting a pregnancy, the Jakarta Post reported.

The girl — who fell pregnant after being raped by her brother — was sentenced to six months of juvenile detention by Muara Bulian District Court in July for illegally terminating her late pregnancy.

She served one month behind bars before the decision was overturned by a provincial high court on August 27.

The victim's 18-year-old brother pleaded guilty to the rape and was sentenced to two years imprisonment by the same high court.

Abortions in the case of rape are only legal within 40 days of conception in Indonesia, a timeframe activists say is unrealistic in determining pregnancy.

Zubaidah, a women's rights activist for the group Organisasi Beranda Perempuan, who is known only by her first name, said victims of rape often felt shame and social pressure which stopped them from seeking help.

"This case has been an example to show the weakness of the Indonesian constitution towards the protection of women," she said.

Zubaidah said the appeal had already had a significant psychological impact on the victim.

"She is still in the process of building her self-confidence, adding the burden of a potential harsher sentence will only emphasise the sense of trauma on this young 15-year-old rape victim," she said.

'It shows we're going backwards'

Under Indonesian law, the punishment for seeking an illegal abortion is a maximum of four years, while performing or assisting in an illegal abortion is punishable by to up to 10 years imprisonment.

In 1992, an amendment to the abortion law was introduced to allow termination if the pregnancy endangers the life of the mother.

Amnesty International launched an appeal in support of the 15-year-old victim, and called for the decriminalisation of abortion in all circumstances.

"Denial of abortion services to women or girls who have become pregnant as a result of rape, sexual assault or incest is a violation of the right to be free from torture or cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment," the human rights group said in a statement about the case.

Indonesian law also prohibits extramarital sexual contact.

The 'zina' provision in Indonesian law currently prohibits adultery, and there are proposals to expand it to also ban sex between unmarried people.

The regulations will particularly affect victims of sexual abuse and rape, where victims will need to prove that it was not consensual.

"It shows we're going backwards due to a lack of commitment to protect women especially those who are victims of rape," Ms Zubaidah said.

"These laws have been put forward without a consideration of the facts on the ground."

Discussing contraception deemed 'taboo' and 'inappropriate'

Zubaidah said teenagers who became pregnant after cases of incest or rape in Indonesia only had two options — abortion or marriage.

"According to [Indonesian] traditions, the victim would have to wed because of the negative stigma among the community," she said.

Fifty-eight per cent of unmarried women who become pregnant in Indonesia choose to abort, according to a 2016 report by the University of Gadjah Mada's Centre of Population and Policies.

But the majority choose unsafe methods, despite the risks, due to the country's strict abortion laws, a United Nations report said.

But preventing unwanted pregnancy is difficult when most parents consider reproductive health and contraceptives to be a "taboo discussion" and "inappropriate" to discuss with their children.

"They think that discussing sexual education encourages children to have sexual relationships…[some even] question the importance of understanding reproductive health," she said.

The UN Population Fund (UNFPA) in Indonesia is working closely with Islamic leaders in the country to promote the use of contraception in family planning.

Contraception is often perceived as unacceptable for Muslims.

The campaign holds training sessions on family planning, maternal and infant health directly from Muslim leaders, in collaboration with the country's National Population and Family Planning Board.

But Zubaidah argues that it is not enough.

"The reality is that many people who are underprivileged, especially teenagers, don't have access to a clinic," she said, adding that the issue is more prevalent outside major cities.

"While the government is investing heavily in infrastructure, social services and cultural programs are still minimal, which hasn't made any significant improvements towards the education for girls and women."

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This post is probably in the wrong place, but I wanted you to see what Dems in the state of Virginia have unleashed on us.  If Oklahoma passes this bill, others will follow and we can say goodbye to Roe v Wade.  There is just no end to stupidity among politicians.

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Yep, this Oklahoma yokel is a moron, alright.

I can't see it passing.  Even if they all vote for it, the supreme court would quash it.