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Is North Korea a nuclear threat?   Asia

Started 6/13/18 by OSarge (DD214_98); 50070 views.
BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph 

5/29/19

Why would anyone believe anything coming from the US about the conduct of other nations?

Especially when they freely murder journalists and then persecute other journalists who report it!

Short version

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WikiLeaks' Collateral Murder: U.S. Soldier Ethan McCord's Eyewitness Story

http://collateralmurder.org/

Collateral Murder

Overview

Update: On July 6, 2010, Private Bradley Manning, a 22 year old intelligence analyst with the United States Army in Baghdad, was charged with disclosing this video (after allegedly speaking to an unfaithful journalist). The whistleblower behind the Pentagon Papers, Daniel Ellsberg, has called Mr. Manning a 'hero'. He is currently imprisoned in Kuwait. The Apache crew and those behind the cover up depicted in the video have yet to be charged. To assist Private Manning, please see bradleymanning.org.

5th April 2010 10:44 EST WikiLeaks has released a classified US military video depicting the indiscriminate slaying of over a dozen people in the Iraqi suburb of New Baghdad -- including two Reuters news staff.

Reuters has been trying to obtain the video through the Freedom of Information Act, without success since the time of the attack. The video, shot from an Apache helicopter gun-sight, clearly shows the unprovoked slaying of a wounded Reuters employee and his rescuers. Two young children involved in the rescue were also seriously wounded.

The military did not reveal how the Reuters staff were killed, and stated that they did not know how the children were injured.

After demands by Reuters, the incident was investigated and the U.S. military concluded that the actions of the soldiers were in accordance with the law of armed conflict and its own "Rules of Engagement".

Consequently, WikiLeaks has released the classified Rules of Engagement for 2006, 2007 and 2008, revealing these rules before, during, and after the killings.

WikiLeaks has released both the original 38 minutes video and a shorter version with an initial analysis. Subtitles have been added to both versions from the radio transmissions.

WikiLeaks obtained this video as well as supporting documents from a number of military whistleblowers. WikiLeaks goes to great lengths to verify the authenticity of the information it receives. We have analyzed the information about this incident from a variety of source material. We have spoken to witnesses and journalists directly involved in the incident.

WikiLeaks wants to ensure that all the leaked information it receives gets the attention it deserves. In this particular case, some of the people killed were journalists that were simply doing their jobs: putting their lives at risk in order to report on war. Iraq is a very dangerous place for journalists: from 2003- 2009, 139 journalists were killed while doing their work.

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph) 

5/29/19

Hey You!


ansqq23pairA said:

Name one US leader who has put relatives at the wrong end of an anti-air machine gun.

There are actually thirteen of them.


13. David Eisenhower Son-in-law to Richard Nixon during the Vietnam War, Eisenhower -- grandson of Ike -- served stateside in the Navy Reserves. His service was inspiring only in the sense that a great song came out of it.

Creedence Clearwater Revival's John Fogerty said of writing "Fortunate Son": "Julie Nixon was hanging around with David Eisenhower, and you just had the feeling that none of these people were going to be involved with the war. "

12. George W. Bush George H.W. Bush wasn't a president, but he had enough pull to get his son assigned to the Texas Air National Guard at Ellington. There's plenty of controversy about how much effort the young Bush put into things such as showing up, but the bottom line is clear -- he kept Texas free from any Viet Cong MiGs.

11. Beau Biden Vice President Joe Biden's son served a year in Iraq...as an army lawyer. The tour nicely coincided with the campaign, and he was able to get a pass to attend his father's inauguration activities. And yeah, he's not the son of a president....yet. Biden 2016!!!

10. Kermit Roosevelt The second-oldest of Teddy Roosevelt's four sons, Kermit bravely signed up to fight for Britain before the U.S. entered either World War. He fought in what is now Iraq, but by the time America entered WWII he was fighting alcoholism and depression. FDR had him assigned to a desk job at an army base in Alaska, where he committed suicide.

9. John Eisenhower Ike's son graduated from West Point on D-Day and served in both World War II and the Korean War. In both cases, though, the brass was so worried about exposing him to danger -- as the son of the Allied forces' supreme commander and then the son of a presidential candidate -- that his combat time was limited.

8. John Roosevelt FDR's youngest son served as a logistics officer aboard the aircraft carrier USS Wasp and received a Bronze Star.

7. FDR Jr. He was a Naval officer in WWII, and was cited for bravery in action. He also famously questioned Hubert Humphrey's war record when he was brought in by JFK for the crucial 1960 primary in West Virginia, where his father was adored.

6. Archie Roosevelt Third-oldest TR son is the only person to be declared totally incapacitated in the two world wars from the same injury. He hurt a knee in the Great War, where France awarded him the Croix de Guerre, and while he was commanding troops in the South Pacific in WWII, a grenade hit the same knee.

5. Chuck Robb LBJ's son-in-law won a Bronze Star during his two Vietnam tours, something conveniently forgotten by Oliver North when he campaigned against him for the U.S. Senate seat from Virginia. North, who exaggerated his own Nam experience on occasion, said Robb was only an "8th & I Marine," meaning one who served at the Corps' D.C. headquarters.

4. Elliott Roosevelt Franklin Roosevelt's son faced rumors he was drunk at a top-level Allied meeting in Tehran, but also flew 300 combat reconnaissance missions. During one he saw Joseph Kennedy Jr., JFK's brother, die in a plane explosion.

3. James Roosevelt FDR's oldest son could have been exempted from service for his flat feet, but instead wore sneakers during his Marine career. He did intelligence work and then became a leader in the Marine Raiders, earning a Navy Cross and a Silver Star.

2. Teddy Roosevelt Jr. Won the Distinguished Service Cross and France's Chevalier Légion d'Honneur in WWI, where he was gassed at Soissons.

He became the oldest man to hit the beach on D-Day, the only general to do so, at the age of 56. He died six weeks later of a heart attack in his tent, and was awarded the Medal of Honor posthumously.

1. Quentin Roosevelt TR's youngest is the only presidential son or son-in-law to die in combat in the modern era. He was a fighter in in WWI who was shot down and buried behind German lines with full honors.

bml00

From: bml00 

5/30/19

I dont believe your examples actually meet the criteria of the question , none of the above whilst exposed to danger were strapped to an AA gun for execution

BM

Sun Tzu (ansqq23pairA)

From: Sun Tzu (ansqq23pairA) 

5/30/19

Wrong end. Ie the receiving end.

The North Korean dictator put his own uncle down range and shot him up with an anti air machine gun.

No American leader has ever done that.

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph 

5/30/19

ansqq23pairA said:

The North Korean dictator put his own uncle down range and shot him up with an anti air machine gun.

Yup. And Saddam had WMD and his troops tossed babies from incubators.

While Germans collected buckets full of babies eyes.

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
Host

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph) 

5/31/19

Oh, sorry.  I misunderstood.

ansqq23pairA said:

The North Korean dictator put his own uncle down range and shot him up with an anti air machine gun.

Seriously?  I mean I knew about the "LOL" poisoning, but did KJU actually pull the trigger?

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph 

5/31/19

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

Seriously?  I mean I knew about the "LOL" poisoning, but did KJU actually pull the trigger?

Dictators who act as if they're out of control and reckless don't last long. They have one characteristic in common - the ability to inspire great loyalty.

So whatever happened in this case (and we'll not know for many years, if ever) it was not carried out as an act of sadistic insanity by KJU.

Di (amina046)

From: Di (amina046) 

6/1/19

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph 

6/1/19

Di (amina046) said:

Whether Kim Hyok Chol and four others are dead or alive, Trump can no longer claim Kim Jong Un will negotiate with Washington in good faith.

Sounds as if it was Trump negotiating in very bad faith.

As the US has done so often before, he's apparently corrupted high-ups in another country's government to the guaranteed detriment of this other country.

All in order to bring about chaos and suffering and millions of refugees.

Di (amina046)

From: Di (amina046) 

6/1/19

The 2 are equals where bad faith is concerned!

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