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Is it 2020 yet?   America - all of it

Started 11/19/18 by Jenifer (Zarknorph); 43414 views.

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We take walk ins. 

We are on Mount Olympus in Greece

Bring a small farm animal to sacrifice 

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Would a half-eaten roast chicken do?

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Donald Trump's likely challengers in 2020

As we tick over into 2019, the next US presidential election now all of a sudden feels a lot closer.

US senator Elizabeth Warren announced her plans earlier this week to potentially challenge Donald Trump in 2020.

She is expected to be just one in a crowded list lining up to try and stop the Republican President winning a second term.

So, who are the names to look out for?

Joe Biden

Vice-president under Barack Obama, Joe Biden has been at the top of early polls on who the Democrats prefer.

His intentions on whether he will run aren't clear yet but he will have to make a decision soon as campaigning heats up and donations are sought.

Mr Biden has had two previously unsuccessful attempts at the presidency — in 1988 and 2008.

Bernie Sanders

The 77-year-old Vermont senator was considered a long shot when he challenged Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination in the 2016 election.

But he went on to win 23 of the primaries and caucuses and 43 per cent of pledged delegates in a surprisingly close contest.

Known for his progressive policies and appeal with younger voters, Senator Sanders hasn't made any firm commitments but is considering his options.

It's important to remember that although Senator Sanders has sought Democratic nominations, he is actually an independent.

Hillary Clinton

The former secretary of state and the Democrats nominee at the last election isn't being seriously talked about as a contender.

But late last year despite saying she did not want to make a third run for the White House, she also added "I'd like to be president".

A former aide to Mrs Clinton wrote in The Wall Street Journal in November that she would run again.

Elizabeth Warren

Senator Warren, who has represented Massachusetts since 2013, is known for taking on Wall Street and trading barbs with Mr Trump.

She is a self-described defender of the ordinary American against powerful interests and was one of Mr Trump's fiercest critics during the 2016 presidential race.

Mr Trump mockingly refers to Senator Warren as "Pocahontas" because of her claim to Native American ancestry.

Senator Warren, 69, has formed an exploratory committee, which will allow her to begin raising money to compete in the Democratic primary field, but still has not decided whether she will actually run.

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Who else is being talked about?

Kirsten Gillibrand, a senator from New York and former lawyer, is being touted as a contender but may be on the outer with some influential Democrats after she said Bill Clinton should have resigned over the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

Ms Gillibrand also made headlines in late 2017 when Mr Trump was accused of "slut shaming" her after she urged him to resign as he faced accusations of sexual harassment and misconduct.

African-American senator Cory Booker from New Jersey has delivered some major speeches recently and frequently features in lists of potential Democratic candidates for 2020.

Beto O'Rourke could also be a challenger after making a name for himself when he almost pulled off a stunning defeat of Texas senator Ted Cruz in last year's midterm elections on the back of record fundraising numbers.

What about Michelle Obama?

The former first lady released her memoir Becoming late last year and it took just 15 days for it to become the highest-selling book published in the US in 2018.

But despite her popularity, Ms Obama has repeatedly said she has no intentions of running for president.

Any celebrities in the running?

After Oprah Winfrey's inspiring "new day" speech at the 2018 Golden Globes, social media lit up with hashtags like #Oprahforpresident.

Reports said she was thinking about running, but just a few weeks later she put an end to the speculation saying a presidential tilt was "not something that interests me".

Rapper Kanye West has also talked on numerous occasions about running for president.

After initially floating the idea at an MTV awards function in 2015, West's most recent line is that he is serious about running but not until 2024.

Could Trump also be challenged by Republicans?

Yes, but there have been few successful primary challenges to an incumbent president.

Although if Mr Trump was seriously challenged in a primary, history shows he would be unlikely to then win the general election.

Ohio Governor John Kasich, a vocal Trump opponent and the last standing challenger to Mr Trump in 2016, is one name that often comes up in talk of other Republican contenders.

When is the election?

The presidential election will be on Tuesday, November 3, 2020.

The winner is then scheduled to be inaugurated on January 20, 2021.

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They won't elect a guy called Castro!

Assailing US President Donald Trump for "a crisis of leadership," former Obama Cabinet member Julian Castro has joined the 2020 presidential race as the rush of Democrats making early moves to challenge the incumbent accelerates.

Key points:

  • Mr Castro was San Antonio's mayor for five years and US housing secretary in former President Barack Obama's second term
  • He says Mr Trump's leadership is in a crisis and plans to secure the border in a "smart and humane way"
  • Mr Castro could end up being the only Latino in crowded the Democratic field

Mr Castro, who could end up being the only Latino in what is shaping up to be a crowded Democratic field, made immigration a centrepiece of his announcement in his hometown of San Antonio, 320 kilometres from the US-Mexico border.

Two days after the President visited the border to promote his promised wall, Mr Castro mocked Mr Trump for claiming that the US faces an "invasion" from its ally to the south. "He called it a national security crisis," Mr Castro said.

"Well, there is a crisis today. It's a crisis of leadership. Donald Trump has failed to uphold the values of our great nation."

Mr Castro, the 44-year-old grandson of a Mexican immigrant, said he was running for president "because it's time for new leadership, because it's time for new energy and it's time for a new commitment to make sure that the opportunities that I've had are available to every American".

He made the announcement as a government shutdown dragged into the longest in US history, and as the field of 2020 contenders widens and anticipation grows around bigger names still considering runs.

Mr Castro was San Antonio's mayor for five years and US housing secretary in Barack Obama's second term. He became the second Democrat to formally enter race, after former Maryland Representative John Delaney.

Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts has also started an exploratory committee for president, and four other Democratic senators are taking steady steps toward running.

Hawaii Representative Tulsi Gabbard, the first Hindu elected to Congress, said this week she was also planning a bid.

Mr Castro is getting an early start in trying to stand out.

His first trip as a candidate will be to hurricane-ravaged Puerto Rico, where an outcry has begun as the White House considers diverting disaster funding to pay for the border wall.

The impasse over paying for a border wall that Mr Trump made a central part of his 2016 campaign has led to the partial federal closure.

That stalemate, along with Mr Trump's hard-line immigration stands, drew sharp rebukes from Mr Castro.

"There are serious issues that need to be addressed in our broken immigration system, but seeking asylum is a legal right. And the cruel policies of this administration are doing real and lasting harm," he said.

He argued for securing the border in a "smart and humane way".

"There is no way in hell that caging babies is a smart or a right or good way to do it. We say no to building a wall and say yes to building community. We say no to scapegoating immigrants," he said.

Mr Castro had said leading up to his announcement that a Latino candidate was a must in the 2020 field.

He was raised by a local Latina activist, and after a brief career in law, was elected mayor of the nation's seventh-largest city at 34.

It was not long before Democrats nationally embraced him as a star in the making, particularly one from Texas, where a booming Hispanic population is rapidly changing the state's demographics and improving the party's fortunes.

Mr Castro delivered the keynote speech at the 2012 Democratic National Convention.

Two years later, Mr Obama picked him to lead the Department of Housing and Urban Development.

He was on the short list of Hillary Clinton's potential running mates in 2016.

Like other Democrats running, Mr Castro has said he will not accept money from political action committees tied to corporations and unions, and he has sought to introduce himself to voters as a champion for universal health care and affordable housing.

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So, Minnesota has offered towards presidency the blandish Hubert Humphrey and Walter Mondale, who were both subjugated to vice presidency. Their feelings of compassion towards all types of humans distinguished themselves, but they were not flashy enough for the mob who was, and still is , enamored by the slick and glossy.

Amy Klobuchar, current Senator from Minnesota, would be an exemplary candidate for 2020, if she were not focused on the welfare of all. instead of the rich few.

Obama might have been a bit glossy, but give him credit, he could actually speak a rational sentence in his own words.

I remember being in the hospital, watching the news and crying when Obama gave his last speech before leaving office. The nurse, who had a darker complexion than I, was alarmed by my tears, thinking that her poking the IV needle in was what was the trouble, but I just blubbered "I'm going to miss him". She said, "So will I", and the needle went in most gently.

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Socialism is a dirty word

Opinion piece

Make no mistake, Donald Trump kicked off his campaign for 2020 on Tuesday night when he delivered the State of the Union address.

Expect "socialism" to become a very dirty word (if it isn't already).

"Here in the United States, we are alarmed by new calls to adopt socialism in our country," the President said, adding: "Tonight, we resolve that America will never be a socialist country".


Where did that come from, you may well ask?

Well, with a growing list of leftist Democrats declaring their intent to run for the presidency, a so-called migrant crisis on the border and political and economic chaos in socialist Venezuela, why not?

Some democratic policies look like socialism to the Trump base

In his remarks, Mr Trump was targeting the liberal policies of the likes of Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Bernie Sanders, and newly minted Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (who's not running for President but is an "influencer").

They're promoting:

  • universal healthcare
  • subsidised tertiary education
  • big taxes on the rich
  • pro-environment initiatives in the form of a "New Green Deal" to reduce the use of fossil fuels

It's a weird thing living in America coming from a country like Australia where Medicare and heavily subsidised education are taken for granted.

To us, their policies are not quite radical. Fuel for valid political debate and prioritisation of public funds to be sure, but to suggest the United States might imminently turn into Venezuela seems like a big leap.

And it is.

Universal healthcare and subsidised education are hardly precursors to state control and the death of the American free market.

But in the post-truth era, the target audience doesn't care about the fine details.

Some Americans would be literally reaching for their guns and gathering the militia at the very suggestion that the federal government might try to interfere in their existence.

Mr Trump proved in 2016 that he's excellent at creating villains.

Remember lyin' Ted, little Marco, low-energy Jeb, Pocahontas (aka Elizabeth Warren) and all the others who were publicly belittled by then-candidate Trump as he carved a path to the White House?

Now we have the "socialists".

Mr Trump has a counterpoint to support his argument in the form of extraordinarily good economic numbers.

The GDP is strong and the economy added 304,000 jobs in January.

Salaries are rising and interest rates appear to have stabilised. The jobs report reflected the hundredth consecutive month of job gains, so it can't be entirely claimed by the Trump administration, but the economy has been bolstered by the President's sponsored tax cuts and pro-business policies.

Again, that's all an easy backdrop to use when pointing to Venezuela, with its collapsing economy, as an example of what America does NOT want to be.

Some Americans are warming to the idea

Ms Ocasio-Cortez, who has established herself as the face of democratic socialism, is undaunted.

"I think it was great. I think he's scared," she said.

"He sees that everything is closing in on him. He knows that he's losing the battle of public opinion when it comes to the substantive proposals that we've been advancing to the public."

According to a recent poll from Gallup, Americans aged 18 to 29 years old said they backed socialism over capitalism 51 to 45 percent.

Democrats, especially, hold a positive view of socialism.

The same poll showed 57 per cent approved of socialism, while just 47 per cent said the same of capitalism. In 2010, those numbers were even higher, at 50 per cent.

In an interview with National Public Radio, Ms Ocasio-Cortez expanded her unwavering support of socialism, saying she'd leverage her nascent fame to push for progressive policies in the same way Mr Trump has used his to push against them.

"He has no other picture of America except an America with a huge wall on the southern border," she said.

"And I think that what we have a responsibility to do is show what another America looks like."


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Socialism's detractors have a distinct definition of the ideology

Donald Trump's not the only one who's down on socialism.

Independent candidate and former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz has said he didn't donate to Elizabeth Warren's campaign when he was asked once, because it would push America towards "socialism".

But again, I think we can say that supporters and detractors are defining socialism quite differently.

On the far right, it's akin to communism, but those on the left pushing the spreading of wealth via public policy are mostly self-described social Democrats.

Trump's speech contained dozens of campaign points

Speaking of 2020, the President's team has announced his first MAGA rally of the year will be held in El Paso, Texas, on Monday.

In his speech, the President claimed El Paso's previous crime problems were resolved by the building of the existing barrier.

"The border city of El Paso, Texas used to have extremely high rates of violent crime — one of the highest in the entire country, and considered one of our Nation's most dangerous cities," Mr Trump said.

"Now, immediately upon its building, with a powerful barrier in place, El Paso is one of the safest cities in our country."

This was quickly refuted.

An investigation by the local newspaper in El Paso revealed that the crime rate dropped before the wall was built.

El Paso leaders from both sides of the aisle were quick to speak out against the President.

The President also flagged healthcare and prescription drug costs and infrastructure development, all issues that will attract bipartisan interest and have the potential to expand his base.

Withdrawing US troops from places like Syria and Afghanistan was also mentioned — actions that will resonate with those who support his America First stance.

And, given how much of the speech was dedicated to national security, it's safe to assume that immigration will be a central theme of the 2020 campaign.

No surprises there.

The wall has been a touchstone of the Trump brand since he first announced his intention to run in 2015.

As he squares up to a distinctly left-leaning field of Democrats, socialism, which has been described as Trump code for "the loony left", may well be the touchstone of 2020.