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Started 4/28/19 by Di (amina046); 5723 views.
Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

Oct-15

What is the atmosphere over there?


BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Oct-15

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:  Spanish police clash with protesters at Barcelona's airport after the Supreme Court finds 12 separatist leaders guilty of crimes including sedition.

Couldn't have found a better possible time to remind people of how the EU treats people who want to secede.

RGoss99

From: RGoss99

Oct-15

Attitude negatative, but still too early to evaluate. another issue is to ask which police were dealing with what demonstrations.

On the ironic side, this the first day in months that Trump was not mentioned in the local papers and the international section was limited to one page (bad news from other parts of the world) However that part referring to the Spanish state that usualy gets 4 pages, only half to Catalunya, got 6 pages, mostly about Catalunya. the other space taker was in the society section where Rafa Nadal´s wedding arrangements got 2 pages.

Regarding another post, this is not an E.U. function, it is simply a remnant of the uncluded Spanish Civil war which left Spain with many fascist elements in its constitution. Today there was a great relevant cartoon. Featured was a teeter totter supposedly balanced on a rock shaped like Spain. On one side was the Socialist President who does not have a majority (new election early next mongh) on the other side was a supreme court judge, next to Franco´s mummey. The teeter totter was broken in the middle, so both ends were on the ground. The related fascist issue is the year old decision to remove the body of Franco from the Valley of the Fallen. The government wants it, but has gotten resistance from the Franco family the monastery which manages the monument, and some elements of the Catholic Church. Finally those opposed to the move have lost their battle with the government, courts, church, family, so within two weeks, against the will of the monastery the body will be exhumed and moved by helicopter (fear of disruptions of a land based move of 60mies) to a Franco family owned mauseleum. So if this works it means one down, and three to go (referendum on monarchy, reform constitution, Catalan independence). A lot will depend on the upcomming election in November because the left wants all of the above, but the left president is wafflig on Catalan independence, and he needs Catalan votes.

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Oct-15

RGoss99 said:  this is not an E.U. function, it is simply a remnant of the uncluded Spanish Civil war which left Spain with many fascist elements in its constitution.  ... On one side was the Socialist President ... on the other side was a supreme court judge, next to Franco´s mummey. ...  The related fascist issue is the year old decision to remove the body of Franco from the Valley of the Fallen. The government wants it, but has gotten resistance from the Franco family the monastery which manages the monument, and some elements of the Catholic Church. Finally those opposed to the move have lost their battle with the government, courts, church, family, so within two weeks, against the will of the monastery the body will be exhumed and moved by helicopter (fear of disruptions of a land based move of 60mies) to a Franco family owned mauseleum. 

I've been to the Valle de los Corridos. 

Strangely, it has no entry in the Wackypedia - the nearest seems to be this:

https://es.wikipedia.org ›wiki› Corrido_de_Chihua ...

Corrido de Chihuahua - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The " Corrido de Chihuahua" is a song written by Pedro de Lille, and the melody was ... I am from the only Chihuahua, from the Parral Valley And listen to this run that joyful I come to sing How beautiful is Chihuahua! Linda my northern land, ...

Oh, wait a moment - its here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valle_de_los_Ca%C3%ADdos

On 15 March 2019 the government of Pedro Sanchez announced the exhumation and transfer of the remains of Franco to the cemetery of El Pardo would take place on 10 June 2019 assuming the Supreme Court did not issue a precautionary order preventing the exhumation until a decision for those appeals of the Franco family and Benedictine Community presently before it.[60]

On 19 March 2019 the Francisco Franco National Foundation filed an appeal with the Supreme Court contending the February agreement of the Council of Ministers for the exhumation is "null and void" for violating "openly" not only the Constitution, but as well the royal decree that modifies the law of Historical Memory and "all the regulations that make up the legal regime" of the B, in addition to European laws and regulations. The Franco Foundation further prayed the Supreme Court stay any action to remove the remains of Franco during the pendency of its appeal.[61]

On 4 June 2019 the five magistrates of the Fourth Administrative Contentious Division of the Supreme Court unanimously suspended the exhumation pending a final decision for those appeals in opposition to the exhumation filed by the Franco Family, the Benedictine Community, the Franco Foundation and the Association for the Defense of the Valley of the Fallen.[62] [63][64]

On 24 September 2019 the Supreme Court unanimously ruled in favour of exhumation and rejected the arguments put forward by Franco's family. It was reported that the exhumation could take place before 10 November 2019 Spanish election and would inter Franco's remains in the El Pardo Cemetery.[65]

RGoss99

From: RGoss99

Oct-15

I am not sure what this adds to my information. Currently the date, purposely not specified for public safety reasons, is between this Saturday and the following weekend. It will take place at night. a limited number of the Franco family and association will be allowed into witness the exhumation on short notice, and the objections of the benedictine prior have been overruled both by the courts, and the pope.

At a time when the church is finally comming to terms with the concept of separation of church and state, and is losing active members all over the place, the Benedictine prior´s objection was very bad timing, as the majority of the population is hostle to most games that the church is playing.

In my part of Spain "Catholic" refers to a culture not a faith. when My village parish church was built it had 20 priests, and the vilge had 8 chuches. by 1950 there were 10 priests, for 20 years there has been one, so when he retired last month now we have 1/2 as our rectory is empty, as we share a priest with the next vilalge. Our church is only packed for funerals, reasonably full for concerts, less so for christmas and easter. It has 21 chapels, but for Sunday masses (2) it averages 10% full, though our largest chapel is full for the daily masses, but these are the same 10% that attend on Sunday. The church is land and building rich, but most of its income goes to maintain its buildings, as the typical Sunday collection would not cover the light and heating bill. Our monastery is managed by a family running it as a restaurant-bar and bed and breakfast. Our "Mecca" at Lluc lost its last clergy last month, our nun operated old folks home, is now fully under the national health because of the three nuns left, 2 were older than the residents. We have two primary schools, one Catholic, but none of the teachers are clergy, and the majority are not even practicing Catholic. The Benedictine monasty behind the cross in the Valley of the Fallen, is basicly a conference center, with the professional staff larger then the clergy in residence. So the prior would have been better off keeping his mouth shut on the Franco thing.

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

Oct-17

Is this happening anywhere near you?


RGoss99

From: RGoss99

Oct-17

Near me? No, but we are having demonstrations all over the place.

The difference in BCN is that "Spain" has imported "foreign" pólice to harrass the demonstrators

and has done so starting back when the Catalán government decided to democraticly ask the

population what it wanted. So "Spain" had a need to pretend that the majority of Catalans did not want change.

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Oct-17

RGoss99 said:

The difference in BCN

Not pretending to be dumb but  I had to go the Wacky:

BCN may refer to: Barcelona El Prat Airport, IATA code; an abbreviation for the city of Barcelona · Baja California, geographical ISO 3166 code MX-BCNBCN ...
RGoss99

From: RGoss99

Oct-17

Just to bring you up todate, and not just for those who fly a lot. Many people use airport abbreviations to indicate cities that they serve.

LHR - London

LAX - Los Angeles

Considering the context of the post to which I was responding, I would not have expected an intelligent person to have to look it up since BCN is based on

<B>ar<C>lo<N>a. 

Sometimes the codes can be more obtuce. For example in "PMI" my favoret Argentine restaurant chain MDQ which happens to be the airport code for Ástor Piazzolla International Airport which probably would not make much sense to people living in Buenos Aires.

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Oct-17

RGoss99 said:  Many people use airport abbreviations to indicate cities that they serve.

That's useful at dinner and cocktail parties.

RGoss99 said: Sometimes the codes can be more obtuce. For example in "PMI" my favoret Argentine restaurant chain MDQ which happens to be the airport code for Ástor Piazzolla International Airport which probably would not make much sense to people living in Buenos Aires.

Even more useful - get the come-uppance even on the very well travelled!

Then I'll moan about this proposed attack on "frequent-flyer AirMiles" - I can wax lyrical on how discriminatory that is!

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