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The debate on Climate Change   General Confusion

Started 7/18/17 by Jenifer (Zarknorph); 69229 views.
Jenifer (Zarknorph)

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

7/18/17

Okay, 

Just wrangling everything here, as the debate is spilling into other threads.

Post a link to a specific post you with to address (URL above) if you need to.

Let the games begin...

Jenifer

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ElDotardo

From: ElDotardo

7/18/17

Asked and answered, oh, so many times . . .

Image result for global warming predictions cartoon

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ElDotardo

From: ElDotardo

7/19/17

Australia: Who’s afraid of the big bad climate monster?

IN Al Gore’s latest cinematic dose of climate scaremongering, a young Asian man is crying.

“I feel so scared” he wails, before vision of solicitous uncle Al patting his hand in an attempt to soothe away his fears of the apocalypse.

Scaremongering is what Gore does best, and fear is the business model that has made him rich, though his every apocalyptic scenario has failed to materialise.

In Australia last week to spruik his upcoming movie An Inconvenient Sequel, the former US vice president tried it on again, claiming Mother Nature was “screaming” and the world would ­descend into “political disruption and chaos and diseases, stronger storms and more ­destructive floods” unless we buy his snake oil.

Silly Labor premiers bought that snake oil last week, pledging alongside the grinning Gore that Victoria, Queensland, the ACT and South Australia would embrace renewables to produce zero net emissions by 2050.

They haven’t learned the lesson from SA’s extreme green experiment with renewable energy that has produced nothing but crippling blackouts and the highest electricity prices in the world.

Any normal person with such a woeful record of accuracy as Gore would be ashamed to show his face. Eleven years after his Inconvenient Truth movie scared little kids witless, his warnings of climate armageddon have come to nothing.

“Unless we take drastic measures the world would reach a point of no return within 10 years,” he told us then. Wrong. In fact the world has just been through almost 20 years in which there has been a hiatus in global warming, even as carbon dioxide has increased: an “inconvenient pause” as some wags put it.

Around the world people are waking up to the fact that their leaders have been crying wolf, while their electricity bills go through the roof.

Australia’s prosperity is built on the reams of cheap, abundant fossil fuel under our feet, and yet green zealots have forced us into an energy crisis.

But when Liberal backbencher Craig Kelly last week pointed out the logical fact that Australians will die because of high power bills, he was slammed as a “scaremonger” by the very people who worship at Al Gore’s feet.
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Jenifer (Zarknorph)

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

7/20/17

First things first...

Miranda Devine is NOT a trusted source.  She has an opinion column.  Think of her as the love child of Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh.  With a lobotomy.

ElDotardo said:

They haven’t learned the lesson from SA’s extreme green experiment with renewable energy that has produced nothing but crippling blackouts and the highest electricity prices in the world.

No - it was a mixture of safety measures and failure of the AEMO - who were desperate to point the finger at anyone else.

In September last year some of the strongest winds in 50 years knocked down high voltage power pylons.  The AEMO auto safety system kicked in and shut everything down in order to protect the network and prevent South Australians from being electrocuted - it was that serious.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/sep/29/south-australia-blackout-explained-renewables-not-to-blame

The AEMO report: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-28/wind-farm-settings-to-blame-for-sa-blackout-aemo-says/8389920 itself says it was the control settings that failed, not the wind farms themselves.

You may have also noted that it was "silly Labor Premiers", as opposed to just "silly Premiers", who jumped on board the Cereal Train.  Perhaps this is because she is a conservative columnist and strong Liberal advocate.

It is also worth noting that the more controversial her column, the more clicks she gets and the more money the Daily Telegraph gets in advertising revenue.

I've vented my spleen about Miranda in this forum before.  But I cannot do it as well as the master.

Tom Ballard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkMv_GzhETk

Or if you have more time...

http://tomballard.com.au/my-letter-to-miranda-devine/

I value intelligent debate, but Miranda Devine does not qualify.

Cheers,

Jenifer

ElDotardo

From: ElDotardo

7/20/17

Attacking the messenger? What are you, an opinion denier? *chuckle*

Greenie obsessions hurting a lot of people

The vast costs of shifting from cheap and reliable coal power to wonky "renewables" are being borne by rich and poor alike

Some people are going hungry and suffering immense psychological stress as they try to pay their power bills, an inquiry into Australia's electricity system has been told.

The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission is investigating electricity pricing and supply at the request of federal Treasurer Scott Morrison.

Electricity pricing and industry profits are under the consumer watchdog's microscope, as well as the level of competition in the market and factors that make it hard for householders and business owners to swap providers and understand their bills.

The Victorian Council of Social Service (VCOSS) has told the inquiry that electricity prices soared 119 per cent in the state in the decade to 2016.

"People are being pushed to the edge by electricity price rises," the council said in its submission.

A forthcoming VCOSS report will show people are making trade-offs on food and other essentials, and sometimes experiencing great psychological stress, in order to pay their bills.

In NSW, electricity retailers are announcing price rises of around 20 per cent for the next financial year due to surging wholesale prices.

NSW Energy & Water Ombudsman Janine Young said contracts offering the lowest prices often have discounts dependent upon paying on time via direct debit and in full.

She said this can prove difficult for people struggling financially, lumping them with late payment penalties and fees for failed bank direct debits.

Ms Young said discount contracts were confusing for customers because some discounts are on the total bill and others are on the consumption charges only.

The Consumer Action Law Centre said the complexity of the electricity market has stopped many people from engaging with it and reaping the
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Johneeo

From: Johneeo

7/20/17

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

I value intelligent debate

Jenifer (Zarknorph)

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

7/21/17

ElDotardo said:

Attacking the messenger? What are you, an opinion denier? *chuckle*

I know, my bad.  But Miranda Devine's job is to be divisive.  She, Andrew Bolt and their ilk do nothing but stir up a shitstorm in order to get people to take sides.

Doesn't matter what the topic, someone's coming to murder you in your bed!

Now, you've changed the title of the column printed in the Australian.  It's about soaring electricity prices.

Gee... if only they had solar panels to help them out...

Cheers,

Jenifer

Jenifer (Zarknorph)

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

7/21/17

Stick around!

It's only lunch time here.

Unless you have an intelligent point to run away from.

Cheers,

Jenifer

ElDotardo

From: ElDotardo

7/22/17

Um, no.

Monumental, Unsustainable Environmental Impacts

A line of turbines on metal lattice legs catch the breeze at the Cowley Ridge wind farm in southern Alberta. The 23-year-old facility, Canada’s first commercial wind project, is being decommissioned. TED RHODES / CALGARY HERALD

Replacing fossil fuels with renewable energy would inflict major land, wildlife, resource damage

Paul Driessen

Demands that the world replace fossil fuels with wind, solar and biofuel energy – to prevent supposed catastrophes caused by manmade global warming and climate change – ignore three fundamental flaws.

1) In the Real World outside the realm of computer models, the unprecedented warming and disasters are simply not happening: not with temperatures, rising seas, extreme weather or other alleged problems.

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