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Poll 2 - The Death Penalty   General Confusion

Started 6/3/19 by Jenifer (Zarknorph); 7490 views.
PTG (anotherPTG)

From: PTG (anotherPTG) 

Oct-21

What does pot do for you that a nice bath in ice cold water doesn't?

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Which one?

The one that created the heavens and the earth. Names don't matter. The important thing (sorry I know how much you seem to hate the concept of "important things") is that man is not equipped with the perfect judgment necessary to decide if a person is guilty of a crime which would warrant their death.

CamGeary

From: CamGeary 

Oct-21

The State should disabuse itself of the notion that it can tell its adult citizens what they can eat/drink/smoke/inject...

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph) 

Oct-24

So, you would trust Moloch (or Ba'al) with your life?

Any of the Inca or Mayan deities with your children?

You'd trust Freya with your fate?

You'd trust Jehovah with your 15 year old daughter?

You'd trust Zeus with your sister?

Nope - they're all too screwed up to be allowed to make any decisions, as far as I'm concerned.

And what ever happened to your belief that people should take responsibility for their own lives?

 

So, you would trust Moloch (or Ba'al) with your life?

Any of the Inca or Mayan deities with your children?

You'd trust Freya with your fate?

You'd trust Jehovah with your 15 year old daughter?

You'd trust Zeus with your sister?

Nope - they're all too screwed up to be allowed to make any decisions, as far as I'm concerned.

And what ever happened to your belief that people should take responsibility for their own lives?

You have gone completely insane! No wonder you were so offended when I 'legitimately' referred to GODLESS koreans! What, In God's name, does the above have to do with THIS;

Which one?

The one that created the heavens and the earth. Names don't matter. The important thing (sorry I know how much you seem to hate the concept of "important things") is that man is not equipped with the perfect judgment necessary to decide if a person is guilty of a crime which would warrant their death.

Here's an example of this. Do you favor the death penalty for an insane person who killed someone? Most people don't. However, how can anyone be absolutely sure that a person who killed someone is NOT insane? Absolutely sure because the death penalty is forever. My father used to justify his opinion on the matter, thus; "I don't believe the state, being human and imperfect, has the right to take anything from someone that it cannot return.". You can return a person's freedom, you cannot return their life.

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph) 

Oct-25

The "which one?" was a glib response to "which god?"

Clearly that sailed over your head.

I don't believe any of them exist.  They are an invention of humanity, something to make us feel like someone, somewhere is in charge.  The alternative is that we are the random product of a chaotic and indifferent universe - and that is quite unsettling.  I remember having faith as a child, and I remember the comfort it held.  Losing that faith was more traumatic for me than I was emotionally mature enough to understand at the time. 

For the record, you and I are in agreement with regard to the death penalty.

It is amusing you felt the need to scream at me about it.

The "which one?" was a glib response to "which god?"

Clearly that sailed over your head.

How so? I answered it succinctly. Maybe you're the "short one", here.

I don't believe any of them exist.  

Of course you don't. You're far above the 75% of the world that does. You're "special"!

I remember having faith as a child, and I remember the comfort it held.  Losing that faith was more traumatic for me than I was emotionally mature enough to understand at the time. 

Maybe when you do mature you could take a second look. Remember, without faith one can never know, really know deep in their soul, that anyone in their life ever loved them. There is no "proof" of love just like there is no "proof" of God. Anything anyone has ever said, or done, for you can reasonably have a different explanation than love.

It is amusing you felt the need to scream at me about it.

Do you intentionally not get it, or, are you really as stupid as you sometimes seem? I screamed about the fact that you completely ignored. Human beings are not equipped with the judgement necessary to take a person's life in punishment.

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph) 

Oct-26

Once again, you come out swinging.  Your reply was nothing but toxic loathing.

I was 14 when I lost my faith.  I know you have no interest in the details.

I did not understand that I was grieving, so I could not understand the stages of grief I was going through.

The toughest one was anger.

I felt betrayed, lied to and deceived.  I was insufferable in my contempt for those that had faith.  God was dead for me, so I had to kill God for everyone else.

It took many decades for me to reach acceptance.

Now, while I still question the inanity of the violence done in the name of any deity, I respect that faith plays an important part in many people's lives.

And faith can transcend gods and prophets and manifest itself in the sciences.  I have faith in science.  The difference is, I never assume science has all the answers and is infallible.

In the end, a scientist, a priest, a philosopher and an average person on the street just wants the answers to the same questions:

  • Why are we here?
  • How did this all come to be?
  • What are we supposed to do with this existence?
  • How is it all going to end?

Same questions, just looking for the answers in different places.

Make Dems Cry Again 2020! (bobrazz) said:

I screamed about the fact that you completely ignored. Human beings are not equipped with the judgement necessary to take a person's life in punishment.

Once again.  I agree. Which is why I am opposed to the death penalty.

You'll have to find something else that enrages you about my post this time.

Now, while I still question the inanity of the violence done in the name of any deity, I respect that faith plays an important part in many people's lives.

In today's world there is only one faith doing significant violence in the name of their deity. That vile political ideology of islam. That targets all religions, even different forms of its own.

  • Why are we here?
  • How did this all come to be?
  • What are we supposed to do with this existence?
  • How is it all going to end?

Most of the answers can be found in the Gospels. Even if one does not recognize Jesus Christ as God He was, arguably, mankind's greatest philosopher.

You'll have to find something else that enrages you about my post this time.

Only because you actually addressed my post. OK! Who are you and what have you done with jenifer?

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph) 

Oct-27

Make Dems Cry Again 2020! (bobrazz) said:

Even if one does not recognize Jesus Christ as God He was, arguably, mankind's greatest philosopher.

You really should sit down for this...

I agree.  Jesus does not need to be divine in order for me to agree with his teachings.  In fact, I think it makes his life even more remarkable if he remains the single most influential human to have ever walked the Earth, while being just as human as the rest of us.

Make Dems Cry Again 2020! (bobrazz) said:

Most of the answers can be found in the Gospels.

Not for me.  The birth of the universe, the formation of stars and galaxies, life on other worlds... I need much more meat in my sandwich that "Oh, God did all that in a week, don't worry about the details."

Curiously, they did get the scientific orders pretty right... just a couple of swaps needed...

  1. Light (Big bang)
  2. Sky/Atmosphere (Should be the stars, especially our sun)
  3. Dry land (planets)
  4. Sun/moon/stars (should be our atmosphere)
  5. Birds and sea animals (so water pooling and microbiology forming)
  6. Land animals and humans (evolution - birds should be here)
  7. And rest

I know these pedantic changes sound picky, but I actually have respect for the order.  This has been mused over since 500 BC and was getting fleshed out around the 1500's before getting any serious challenges by Galileo.

The priests were the scholars of the time and the 3 wise men were likely astronomers.  (There is wonderful debate over the star at Jesus' birth being either a supernova or Jupiter in a close orbit).  So I have to acknowledge how much science owes the church, even though they are often at loggerheads.

As for the worst aspects of "faith", I feel religion is to blame for that.  I consider them different entities.  Faith is a personal belief, religion is a code of conduct imposed upon you by others.  That is where violence and intolerance fester.

Make Dems Cry Again 2020! (bobrazz) said:

OK! Who are you and what have you done with jenifer?

This is me, Bob.  It always has been.  We have had civil conversations in the past.

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