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Bubonic plague   World Wide WTF?

Started 6/11/19 by Johneeo; 5932 views.
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

7/16/20

Thank you.  Now we're having a conversation.

Johneeo said:

a number of us sane people can see that Joe Biden has always suffered from advanced stupidity, and now it looks like dementia has taken control.

Biden was the WORST choice... after the crazy space lady.  After the clown car had cleared out (try saying that ten times fast), he was still in it.  He shouldn't have been.

They chose a moderate, despite the fact that moderates NEVER win.

A vote for Bernie would have been a vote FOR Bernie.  A vote for Biden is a vote for anyone but Trump.  No one is rallying behind that campaign.

The 2020 election is the Democrats to lose and they deserve to lose it with this colossally stupid decision.

I agree that Biden should take the same cognitive test that Trump had to take.  If he cannot ace it, everyone NEEDS to know now, before it is too late.

Now, on to crime in American cities.

You cited one source that said crime rates have soared during the pandemic.

Here are some others:

Crime drops around the world as COVID-19 keeps people inside - AP

Crime Rates Across U.S. Drop Amid The Coronavirus Pandemic - Forbes

Amid pandemic, crime dropped in many U.S. cities, but not all - WP

A Pandemic Bright Spot: In Many Places, Less Crime - NYT

The most important link, however, is this one:

How to find and interpret crime data during the coronavirus pandemic: 5 tips - PPI

1. The types of crimes, and targets of crimes, are changing during the pandemic

Among the crime trends observed during this pandemic are changes in the types of crimes and sites of crimes. Notably, violent crime has dropped, and burglaries have shifted away from home break-ins to target closed businesses instead.

2. Changes in policing will mean fewer arrests and lower crime rates

It’s important to remember that official crime data comes from law enforcement agencies, so it is a record of crimes reported to, or by, police. Therefore, as police practices change, so do crime statistics.

3. People may be less likely to report crimes, which will also lower crime rates

Not all crimes are reported to police by civilians, even under normal circumstances. The Bureau of Justice Statistics estimates that in 2018, less than half (43%) of violent crime victimizations were reported to police, and an even smaller share (34%) of property crime victimizations were reported. Now that people are avoiding in-person contact for fear of contracting or spreading the coronavirus – even avoiding hospitals when they need them – it’s very likely that even fewer crimes are being reported to police. Victims of rape and sexual assault (crimes that are always underreported) may be even less likely to go to the police and undergo forensic medical exams. And given the heightened risk of infection in prisons and jails, victims of intimate partner violence or other domestic abuse may be even more reluctant to seek police intervention, which is likely to result in an arrest of at least one person, if not both.

(My part)  Domestic violence has risen sharply, due to the lockdown.  Hate crimes are up at the moment, but terrorist attacks are down.  Swings and roundabouts.

4. Local crime trends may vary a lot and appear dramatic

One reason that crime trends appear more exaggerated at the local level is that when the number of crimes is small enough, even relatively small changes are noticeable in the data. For example, as Bloomberg reported, the number of homicides in Austin was up 25% compared to the same time last year – but this was because of one additional homicide, taking the total count from 4 to 5. So it’s important to look critically at trends described in “percent change” terms, to consider how much actual change it reflects.

5. Where to find local crime data, and what questions to ask about it

  • What exactly is being measured? Is it arrests, crimes reported to police, all incidents known to police, calls for service, or something else? Are traffic violations or other low-level offenses included?
  • What does the baseline – or historical data – look like? What were crime rates (or counts) at the same time last year, and in the years before? Arrests are more common at certain times of the year (i.e. summer), so comparing similar time frames will help narrow down factors that might affect changes in the data. And remember that “percent change” can look very dramatic when you’re starting with a small baseline amount of crime (such as homicides).
  • If crime has increased, what kinds of crimes have gone up? Noticing that crime rates overall have gone up is not necessarily reason to sound the alarms; this may reflect an increase in non-violent property offenses among people desperate for money in an economic crisis, or problems with substance abuse among people who are experiencing extreme distress. On the other hand, some upticks in reported crime may deserve more attention right now, such as an increase in domestic violence or online scams.
  • How have local routines changed, and could that affect crime patterns? Are most people staying home? Are businesses downtown closed? Are people leaving cars
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PTG (anotherPTG)

From: PTG (anotherPTG)

7/16/20

You HAVE done your homework!

How many hours are in your daily clock?

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

7/16/20

That took less than one.

Unemployed librarian - I know how to research.

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7/16/20

Johneeo

From: Johneeo

7/18/20

Just about every day we see this in our Democrat run cities.

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

7/19/20

Why would Chicago waste police and resources to protect the statue of a mass murdering idiot?

Especially given that he NEVER set foot in America, let alone "discovered it".

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

7/19/20

A meme in lieu of a coherent argument.

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Johneeo

From: Johneeo

7/19/20

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Why would Chicago waste police and resources to protect the statue of a mass murdering idiot?
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Maybe to enforce law and order?  Or common decency?  Civility? 

It kind of works like this.  You allow violent mobs to destroy property, you have lost total control.
So, if it is OK to destroy statues at will, it would be just fine to burn down churches.  You know,
those Christian establishments that fed people to the lions, initiated the wholly wars, and most
recently sexually assaulted children?

And, as we have seen, when the city is burning, the criminals loot. 

And they attack police.

And we have just about achieved the goal of total anarchy.

And when that happens, historically, those with the guns usually win.
And a lot of people will need to die.
 

  • Edited July 19, 2020 7:36 am  by  Johneeo
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

7/20/20

First of all, the tally of police killing civilians is still WAY ahead of the reverse.

Johneeo said:

Maybe to enforce law and order? Or common decency? Civility?

Columbus plundered the Caribbean, murdering tens of thousands of innocent islanders.  That is ALL he did.  Common decency and civility would be to remove the statue, so protestors don't have to take matters into their own hands.

Johneeo said:

You allow violent mobs to destroy property, you have lost total control.

That's a given.  But when you have no control over your own life, and can be shot in a moments notice just because of the colour of your skin, maybe you're sick and tired of having to walk past a statue every day that reminds you that you are less than human.

And if setting fire to a building finally gets the attention of the nation, and the world - then burn, baby, burn.

Johneeo said:

So, if it is OK to destroy statues at will, it would be just fine to burn down churches. You know, those Christian establishments that fed people to the lions, initiated the wholly wars, and most recently sexually assaulted children?

Again, straw man argument.  This is apples and oranges. 

If 200 deaf men want to set fire to a church in Milwaukee - they've earned that right.  No one gave a shit about them when they were seeking justice quietly.

Johneeo said:

And, as we have seen, when the city is burning, the criminals loot.

IS your city burning right now?  Are criminals looting as we speak?  How many cities in the US are LITERALLY burning and being looted RIGHT NOW?  US service workers are planning a walk out on July 20.  Let's see what they set on fire and rob, shall we?

Johneeo said:

And they attack police.

Not as much as the police attack them.

LAPD: Video Surfaces Of Officers Hitting Protesters During Fairfax ...

If you see the police, start recording / Boing Boing

New York City police vehicles filmed driving into crowds of protesters

US police charged with beating undercover officer during protest ...

Johneeo said:

And when that happens, historically, those with the guns usually win. And a lot of people will need to die.

You're forgetting - 46% of the world's guns are in American hands.

A LOT of people are going to die.  You're hurtling towards another civil war.

And there are more guns in the US than people.

And there are people like you - on BOTH SIDES - who would rather just shoot someone who votes differently than debate with them.

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