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A bit of French Culture   The U.K and Europe

Started 6/20/19 by Di (amina046); 10715 views.
BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Jan-8

RGoss99 said:

In the case of Jennifer z, an opportunity for isolated egotistic individuals to ignore questions for which the answers might be embarrasing to fragile egos.

I agree with what you say, Zarknorph was asking a question.

A rather bizarre question since the article here says nothing about the letter being in the French language.

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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RGoss99 said:

Sorry, but your "I wonder" by definition is a question, because it implies a respons in the form of an answer.

I know! That's what I said!

RGoss99 said:

Question 1 is why did you post the issue of a Frenchman writing in French, if not a question or a crit.

I didn't.  I simply mused aloud about the fact I never knew why all the Olympic statements were said in French and English.  You proceeded to attack me for my stupidity in a question I never asked.

RGoss99 said:

Question 2 what evidence to you have that what I call a question from you is not a question.

"Sam wondered why the two men were fishing in the rain"

What evidence do you have that the above sentence is a question?

You CANNOT re-word the sentence to MAKE it a question. 

RGoss99 said:

Adding --- why are you persisting in this thread diversión, when you already have my answer to your off topic rabbiting on about your stupid question in the first plae.

Because, as a teacher, you have to accept that you might be mistaken.  You refuse to even acknowledge the possibility that you might have made a mistake.

You refuse to have your word questioned.  You call people stupid.

This makes me think that you are not a good teacher.  And worse, your students are learning that they can NEVER question authority in any way.  Do you call your students stupid?  Do you insult them during your lessons?

That is why I will "rabbit on" about this until you answer the question I asked.

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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BerrySteph said:

I agree with what you say, Zarknorph was asking a question.

What was the question?

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Jan-8

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

What was the question?

You wanted to know (in relation to an article that didn't mention "France" or "French") why the letter was in French.

Ideally, the way you phrased it, you should have answered your own question.

Without that completion, it was a question.

RGoss99

From: RGoss99

Jan-8

Your unjustified "wondering" is an implied synonym for the Word "why" which makes it a question.

RGoss99

From: RGoss99

Jan-8

Note I never called you stupid, just your question to which you already provided the answer thus removing your need to wonder. 

Here is a parallel "question" that could be asked using the Word "wonder". I just got back from a lectura tour in Turkey. as native speakers half the students were Turks, and the other half were Catalans or Spaniards. I lectured in English. A lady from Madrid, asked (mused, wondered) why if I was lecturing in English I spelled some of the words on the board in Spanish. This would be a valid question, for which an educated English speaker would probably know the answer. I lectured in English because all of the students had English as a second language, and none of the Turks spoke spanish, nor Spanish speakers spoke Turkish. The reason why I change spellings from English to Spanish, was because as most educated persons would know that since the Turks use the Latin alphabet, specific words spelled in Spanish are spelled the same way in Turkish, but not in English. For example, English as dominated by Oxford snobs has many words with Greek phonetic spellings, for example "ph" for "f" as in "photo…"  which in Spanish is "fotografia" and Turkish is   "fotografçilik" .

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Jan-8

RGoss99 said:

Your unjustified "wondering" is an implied synonym for the Word "why" which makes it a question.

Yeah, I'd go along with that.

Bizarrely, in this case, she was questioning something that did not appear in the article she was referencing!

RGoss99

From: RGoss99

Jan-8

Here is basicly the same question in a justifiable context. I was lecturing on a tour of Anatolia. My students were half citizens of Spain (including 3 catalans and one basque who spoke Spanish as a second language) and half Turks all of whom spoke English as a second language, since English is the most popular third language in Spain, my lectures were in English except when writing vocabulary on the board, in which case I used the Spanish spelling. A woman from Madrid asked why (e.g. she was wondering why). So I explained That English, especially British English, has a phonetic problema with words of classical origin, the Turks and Spanish do not. For example English "ph" as in "photo" and "pharmacy" is replaced with an "f". I blame the Oxbridge snobs who gave us pesudo greek phonetics. Two famous American scholars rebelled, but lost because of anglofiles in America though things British had class - John Dewey, and Webster, both of whose first Works rejected words like british spelled: fisics, filosofy, rombus, etc. English is probably the only supposedly fonetic langauge where one can pronounce "ghoti" as |fish|. Here in Catalán the most common fonetic confusión is in proper names that evolved before the "alfabeth" was standardized. (examples are proper nouns beginning with c (before a vowell), z, and s.

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