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Libya   Africa and the Middle East

Started 7/4/19 by Jenifer (Zarknorph); 8871 views.
BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

7/12/19

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

I know you don't trust video sources, so do with this what you will.

I don't trust video sources that purport to "explain/dispute the history/facts". If the explanations or denials are good, then there must be a transcript and I'll look at that.

BMs videos are normally quite good - many of them completely dispute what he's claimed about them, however!

As do his text sources - he put me onto the Heilbronner historical essay - I post it to you?

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

7/13/19

Is that your way of saying you didn't watch Boris Johnson speaking about Trump?

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

7/13/19

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said: Is that your way of saying you didn't watch Boris Johnson speaking about Trump?

I didn't watch him, I simply accepted what people said later.

Oh, wait a moment, I did watch your clip, which I'd never heard about until it was posted here.

However, it was the evidence - same as the kind of thing that BM sometimes offers - often proving the reverse of what he claims.

So, yes, I do watch clips of evidence - I only hate talking heads.

Especially not obvious Russian puppets like Jonathan Pie, intefering with our democracy.

Oh, wait a moment, I do watch bits of him because he's doing such a good job of mimicing the British that you could almost be taken in if you didn't know who and what he is working for.

I take a perverse pleasure in seeing Yosemite Sam as well - shall I post the proven Russian meme of him again?

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

7/14/19

Were you born this insufferable, or did you study?

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

7/14/19

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

Were you born this insufferable, or did you study?

If we've lied about into a war on Russia, just as we were in Iraq, then I want to know.

Violent racists won't understand that of course.

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Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

7/26/19

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Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

10/20/19

Analysis


bml00

From: bml00

10/20/19

Saddam , the Assad's , Gaddafi etc are examples of Tyrants who removed any threats that appeared in their countries , the threats come from the various tribes that make up the relevant countries , the tribes having existed long before these people and their systems appeared .

Once the Tyrants were deposed , killed or disposed off the tribes go back to fighting for dominance , today this fight is made easier as outside powers are very willing to stoke the fires and keep the discontent burning , however the fight will continue till one group dominates the other.

BM

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

10/20/19

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

Gaddafi is gone but eight years on Libya is still at war. What went wrong? Eight years after the death of Moamar Gaddafi, the journalist who captured his downfall reflects on why Libya remains at war.

I don't need to read it - Libya has lots of oil and we want it.

So we plunged it into chaos and suffering and imposed corrupt puppets on it.

Crucially, Gaddafi was cooperative and had abandoned his WMD program.

Huge mistake (one that Iran may have made but North Korea is not going to do).

... the majority had never known life outside of Gaddafi's iron fist, and his legacy of violence is more evident than ever throughout Libya today.

Libyan political analyst Mohamed Eljarh explained to me while many nations in the region were also in the grip of their own uprisings — collectively known as the Arab Spring — that what made Libya different was a total lack of any form of political life whatsoever.

There had been no political parties or institutions and no constitution under Gaddafi.

Among Libya's neighbours, Tunisia and Egypt — while governed by dictators and autocratic regime — both still held elections, they had unions, and a civil society one could potentially participate in, despite it being heavily controlled.

But in Libya, Gaddafi had created a system that revolved around him alone — so when he died, the entire system collapsed with him.

So we're still going to blame the victims of our evil.

bml00

From: bml00

10/20/19

BerrySteph said:

Among Libya's neighbours, Tunisia and Egypt — while governed by dictators and autocratic regime — both still held elections, they had unions, and a civil society one could potentially participate in, despite it being heavily controlled.

Amazing how people defend tyrants / rapists / killers such as Gaddafi or Assad or Saddam and try to portray them as examples of all that is good.

They deserve their fate , they lived like kings on the backs of others and treated the country as their own personal banks and fiefdoms

Tribes are fighting it out and will continue till one side or the other dominates this is the way of the region

BM

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