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Started 7/16/19 by Jenifer (Zarknorph); 39797 views.
BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

9/11/19

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

Then we are at an impasse.  I have the evidence, but you refuse to look at it.

It will not be evidence that David Irving denied the gas-chambers (he may have done so, I'm just not aware of it).

It will be a talking head telling us that he's done so.

Just as we systematically smear and level fraudulent accusations against all our "national" enemies - blithely ignoring that (where they're genuine and they're often  not) they're usually retaliation for attacks we've mounted on them.

Oh, look, BM has (almost uniquely) corrected me and provided chapter and verse evidence of Irving denying that Jews were gassed in gas-chambers.

Except I don't think I can see where he provides chapter and verse of Irving denying that Jews were gassed in gas-chambers.

So far, we've only had two provable examples of provable Irving falsehoods - the Dresden death-toll (most of that being in speeches - and BM himself is guilty of much worse) and the Chaim Weizmann declaration of war on Germany by the Jews on 29th Aug 1939. For which Irving was quite wrongly exorciated by a clearly very biased judge.

BM, far from proving his case, has only quoted this clearly very biased judge!

bml00

From: bml00

9/11/19

UK news and now the Jews are being fingered for starting the 2nd World War how many topic changes do you want

BM

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

9/11/19

Zarknorph said: Claiming that the gas chambers never existed is not "revisionist". It's hateful ignorance.

BM, far from proving his case, has only quoted this clearly very biased judge!

Looking at the trial transcript (goodness knows how I got there, all URLs seem to have been excised) Irving is doing a good job of obfuscating what he actually means but not, that I can see, denying that gas-chambers are involved. Sometimes confirming they were used?

Remember, most of the gas-chambers were destroyed - the ones at Auschwitz are a flawed communist reconstruction. Published Holocaust memoirs are totally unchecked - some of them are outright frauds but still being taught and sold as true. 

bml00

From: bml00

9/12/19

I am not a lawyer nor is any one here , the trial judge gave his verdict and like the Brexit debate the winners got what they wanted and the losers continue to nit pick and complain 

The articles I cut and pasted clearly indicate Irving’s denial of facts 

what is not being seen is why did Irving decide there were no gas chambers and for that you need to see the case of Ernst Zundel another holocaust denier and like Irving jailed and deported this time from Canada 

Zundel used along with Irving a self taught Execution specialist who declared there were no gas chambers and his name was Fred Leuchter it is this utter nit wit who convinced Irving the gas chambers were a myth of course Leuchter was also an revisionist and he also was proved wrong but it started with the Zundel trial , the Chief witnesses were Irving and Leuchter 

Irving is like our poster a dyed in the wool Jew Hater and Baiter 

BM

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

9/12/19

Then look at BM's evidence.

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

9/12/19

bml00 said:

The articles I cut and pasted clearly indicate Irving’s denial of facts 

No they do not.

The only clear dishonesty I've seen from Irving is his different death-tolls for Dresden - presented here (and previously a number of times) by me.

You've still not added anything atall.

They do not concern the Holocaust and they were in speeches. Naughty but quite limited in their harm.

Meanwhile, you're very much of a lying idiot yourself.

1) "Israeli gas which when it comes on Line is going to be enormous (far bigger than Russia etc)"

2) "There are no reports ANYWHERE of any Anti Christian activities in Israel"

3) "Europe has more weapons per capita than the US so it goes Kids will be using them"

4) "there is no Palestinian state don't make the usual arsole of yourself"

5) There are many states with historical grievances I don’t know wether Iran is one of them

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

9/12/19

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:  Then look at BM's evidence.

He's sent me a pile of links, some of which I've skimmed.

None of them appear to detail lies from Irving. I posted you the only clear evidence I've ever seen (and was shouted at for so doing, almost as if you don't want any evidence).

So Irving's demeanour is very, very different from what can be seen in BMs own postings.

Adwil is less guilty of small lies - but even worse for major lies.

Meanwhile, we've only touched on the serial dishonesty of the Holocaust Industry.

Top scholar of the Holocaust Deborah Lipstadt (or possibly just her publisher?) and scourge of David Irving lies about the Holocaust on the cover of her book "Denying the Holocaust: The Growing Assault on Truth and Memory".

She states that Deniers are:

"those who insist that the death of six million Jews in Nazi concentration camps is nothing but a hoax perpetrated by a powerful Zionist conspiracy"

A statement that's patently untrue - six million is not the number of deaths in the camps. She seems to have about doubled the real figure:

Total death in camps is at least 2,848,000. Auschwitz complex 1 million, Treblinka 2 925,000, Belzec: 434,508, Sobibor: at least 167,000, Chelmno: 156,000–172,000, other facilities that the Germans designated as concentration camps: at least 150,000. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/documenting-numbers-of-victims-of-the-holocaust-and-nazi-persecution

Its not a very important falsehood - but why be so sloppy about a number that others are jailed for disputing?

I'd also question whether any Deniers claim that a "Zionist conspiracy" is to blame - most of the antisemitic are supportive of Israel, not critics of it!

More dishonesty from the woman who claims to have brought down and bankrupted the most successful author (non-qualified "historian") on WW2 but had nothing to do with it:

... The most "insidious" forms of Holocaust denial, Lipstadt suggests, are "immoral equivalencies": that is, denying the uniqueness of The Holocaust.[57 Lipstadt, "Denying the Holocaust: the growing assault on truth and memory" chapter 11.]

This argument has intriguing implications.

... To question a survivor's testimony, to denounce the role of Jewish collaborators, to suggest that Germans suffered during the bombing of Dresden or that any state except Germany committed crimes in World War II - this is all evidence, according to Lipstadt, of Holocaust denial.[55 Lipstadt "Denying the Holocaust" p.6, 12, 22, 89-90.] cited in https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=VrqK5VdO2i0C&pg=PA70

And yet, this top Holocaust scholar Deborah Lipstadt (Dorot Professor of Modern Jewish and Holocaust Studies at Emory University, appointed by President Clinton in 1994 to the United States Holocaust Memorial Council) apparently does it herself:

... [Deborah Lipstadt] wryly observes that Holocaust survivors frequently maintain they were personally examined by Josef Mengele at Auschwitz.[3 Elena Lappin, "Man With Two Heads" p.48.  D.D. Guttenplan, "The Holocaust on Trial," in Atlantic Monthly February 2000 <ed - article no longer on line> p.62] cited in https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=VrqK5VdO2i0C&pg=PA70

I wouldn't be in your shoes if you doubted a Holocaust survivor in this fashion!

bml00

From: bml00

9/12/19

You are looking at a denier an historical revisionist trying to defend David Irving , he is laying blame anywhere , ZIONISTS Powerful Jews anybody to shift the focus

The conviction of Irving stands he was guilty as charged NOTHING will change that let alone a very childlike Jew hater like the poster

BM

RGoss99

From: RGoss99

9/12/19

G=G+1 note that the majority of posts labeled "G" I never see, e.g. they are purged by my secretary, who vets all of my electronic mail. However, as no protocol lovers all possibilities, she does mark them as "G" but passes them on to me because I might be interested.

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

9/12/19

bml00 said:

The conviction of Irving stands he was guilty as charged

You're an idiot - Irving wasn't convicted of anything (until later).

He was libelled (maybe with some justification) but his writing career and income was first destroyed. 

Destroyed with a lot of money and lies. And a very biased judge - as I think I proved in great detail a short while ago.

And a very biased press, 19 alleged errors became 30 in the Guardian.

Needless to say, I can't find even the 19 alleged errors - and some of them are clearly fraudulent allegations, Irving is right and the Zionists are nastily wrong.

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