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Impeach, or get off the pot!   America - all of it

Started 9/23/19 by Jenifer (Zarknorph); 26556 views.
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

9/26/19

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katiek2

From: katiek2

9/26/19

No - the president's calls are transcripted in real time by a team of people from the National Intelligence Agency.  The whistleblower was nowhere near the White House, much less in the Oval Office.  He was given information he was hoping Trump could be hung out to dry with by a second or third hand person.  

katiek2

From: katiek2

9/26/19

Neither does anyone else other than Schiff and Nadler.  Pelosi really doesn't want to go the impeachment route, which is why she is agreeing to an "impeachment inquiry".  In order for it to rise to the level of the impeachment, there would have to be a vote in the House, and there's a more than good chance it wouldn't pass the House.  It definitely won't pass the Senate, so what's the point?  It appears to be nothing more than a distraction, in order to keep the focus off Biden, who did commit a quid pro quo when he pressured the Ukraine to fire the prosecutor who was investigating the company his son was involved with.  That's not hearsay, Biden did a press conference, bragging about it.  He said he told the then president to get rid of the prosecutor in the next 6 hours, or the billion dollars in aid Ukraine was supposed to get would not be released.  "Son of a B - the prosecutor was fired"  Biden's own words on video.  Here is the link to the video.

https://youtu.be/UXA--dj2-CY

katiek2

From: katiek2

9/26/19

Actually, I was just about to post that.  

katiek2

From: katiek2

9/26/19

Here's another thing to keep in mind - I don't know how trustworthy your media is, but ours is about as dirty as it gets - both sides write what they think their audience wants to see.  There is no attempt at journalism in the sense of reporting the news.  As an example:  the Washington Post reported that current acting director of national intelligence Joseph Maguire had threatened to resign if the Trump administration stopped him from speaking freely before Congress about the whistleblower complaint.  According to Mr. Maguire, that was a complete and total lie.

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

9/27/19

The US is already so divided.  Trump is not the cause of this, rather a symptom of a much bigger, worldwide, problem.  And he certainly is an agitator.

But this will completely dominate the news until November 2020.  There will be no policy review, no debate, no scrutiny over the issues key to a good government.

It will just be a long and bitter shoutfest that will tear the US apart.

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9/27/19

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9/27/19

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

9/27/19

What is in the report?


Broadly, in the July phone call with Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, President Trump "sought to pressure the Ukranian leader" to:

  • "initiate or continue an investigation into the activities of former Vice President Joseph Biden"
  • "assist in purportedly uncovering that allegations of Russian interference in the 2016 US presidential election originated in Ukraine"
  • "Meet or speak with two people the President explicitly named as his personal envoys on these matters"

Those two people are the President's lawyer, Rudy Guiliani, and the US Attorney General William Barr.

These allegations are all consistent with the account of the phone call released yesterday.

But the whistleblower includes a few more details that are newsworthy:

  • Other officials, including White House officials, were also "deeply disturbed by what transpired in the phone call"
  • White House lawyers were briefed on the call and directed officials "to 'lock down' all records of the phone call." They removed the electronic transcript of the call from the computer system where transcripts are normally stored (and this was "not the first time under this administration" that a Presidential transcript was placed into a secure system "solely for the purpose of protecting politically sensitive — rather than national security sensitive — information.'')
  • The day after the call, a US Representative met with Mr Zelenskiy and his team to discuss how to "navigate the demands that the President made of Mr Zelenskiy"
  • Mr Guiliani traveled to Madrid to meet with one of Mr Zelenskiy's advisers "as a direct follow-up to the President's call"

adwil

From: adwil

9/27/19

If trump is to be impeached, 20 republican out of 53 in the  Senate will have to vote against Trump. Seems unlikely.

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