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Derailed Thread   Africa and the Middle East

Started 11/21/19 by Jenifer (Zarknorph); 120682 views. (Closed)(Closed to new replies)
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8645 (RedBV)

From: 8645 (RedBV)

2/13/21

Hey there slackerz/ramsey . . . a simple question for you - lets see if you know and understand the purpose of "controlled immigration" . . . and the consequences of non-controlled immigration . . .

 
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el gringo (ramseylurker)

From: el gringo (ramseylurker)

2/13/21

8645 (RedBV) said:

Hey there slackerz/ramsey . . . a simple question for you - lets see if you know and understand the purpose of "controlled immigration" . . . and the consequences of non-controlled immigration . . .

Welcome to the forum, RedBV!

As it happens, my wife is an immigrant. 

El Mejor Himno Del Mundo Vídeo Oficial del Himno Al Patìa

 
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2/13/21

Perhaps you don't know - but I have been a member of this forum for quite some time . . .

So, do you plan on addressing my question . . .

 
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From: el gringo (ramseylurker)

2/13/21

8645 (RedBV) said...

Perhaps you don't know - but I have been a member of this forum for quite some time . . .

So, do you plan on addressing my question . . .

No, I didn't know.

Are you a troll or a regular poster?

 
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8645 (RedBV)

From: 8645 (RedBV)

2/13/21

If something strikes my fancy to converse on, such as this thread, I post in it . . . as well, have helped the Host of this forum out in the past . . .

So, once again, do you plan on addressing my question . . .

 
Msg 459 of 542 to Jenifer (Zarknorph)Zarknorph 
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slackerx

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2/13/21

8645 (RedBV) said...

If something strikes my fancy to converse on, such as this thread, I post in it . . . as well, have helped the Host of this forum out in the past . . .

So, once again, do you plan on addressing my question . . .

Should I actually engage this poster at length, or ignore him like the controlling troll that he appears to be?

I have plenty to say to the likes of him, and I'm certainly not going to allow him to control my responses in any conversation, no matter how many times he says the word "control" in his posts and so-called "questions" to me.

But I don't want to assist him in trolling your forum, either, if that is what he is attempting to goad me into doing.

People with a hell of a lot more authority and power than this control freak troll could ever dream of having have tried to kick us out of the country and failed.

  • Edited February 13, 2021 6:50 pm  by  slackerx
 
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8645 (RedBV)

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2/13/21

Seems you don't know me very well . . . ya see I back BLM, back immigration, have assisted getting rid of racists and like for well over 40 yrs, recently assisted in getting rid of one of the parler folks that was a city police chief, etc. . . . for the last 5 yrs worked on getting rid of donnie boy and other left side politics, etc. . . .

As to the question asked of you - what seems so hard about addressing it . . . it should be pretty simple to address controlled immigration and the consequences of non controlled immigration . . . for example - one of the consequences of non-controlled immigration can often result in what amounts to squalor style camps akin to 3rd world refugee camps overwhelming the resources of a nation and available assistance from agencies like the WHO, UN, etc. . . . 

In other words - there is quite a bit involved for immigration to work well . . . and donnie boy damn sure screwed up on the southern border of the U.S. . . . as well in addition to curtailing many of the immigration/refugee programs that were in place in the U.S. when he became the occupant of the Oval Office . . . thankfully he is now gone and Biden is taking the steps ta get the U.S. back on track . . .

So, do you plan on addressing the question asked of you . . .

 
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8645 (RedBV)

From: 8645 (RedBV)

2/13/21

You have mail . . .

 
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Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

2/14/21

Bud is good people.  He's always welcome here.

 
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el gringo (ramseylurker)

From: el gringo (ramseylurker)

2/14/21

8645 (RedBV) said...

If something strikes my fancy to converse on, such as this thread, I post in it . . .as well, have helped the Host of this forum out in the past . . .

We all do that. But I just wanted to check with the forum owner first, given your reputation for trolling, lies, and hijacking.

 
Economic Policy - Analysis
Trump immigration plan could keep whites in U.S. majority for up to five more years
 
By Jeff Stein and Andrew Van Dam
Feb. 6, 2018 at 9:15 a.m. CST
 
President Trump's proposal to cut legal immigration rates would delay the date that white Americans become a minority of the population by as few as one or as many as five additional years, according to an analysis by The Washington Post.
 
The plan, released by the White House last month, would scale back a program that allows people residing in the United States to sponsor family members living abroad for green cards, and would eliminate the “diversity visa program” that benefits immigrants in countries with historically low levels of migration to the United States. Together, the changes would disproportionately affect immigrants from Latin America and Africa.
 
The Census Bureau projects that minority groups will outnumber non-Hispanic whites in the United States in 2044. The Post's analysis projects that, were Trump's plan to be carried out, the date would be between 2045 and 2049, depending on how parts of it are implemented.
 
(The Post's methodology for estimating the annual impact of Trump's proposed cuts is explained in more detail at the bottom of this report. Projecting this far into the future entails certain assumptions that could alter the range, but demographic experts said The Post's approach was reasonable.)
 
All told, the proposal could cut off entry for more than 20 million legal immigrants over the next four decades. The change could have profound effects on the size of the U.S. population and its composition, altering projections for economic growth and the age of the nation's workforce, as well as shaping its politics and culture, demographers and immigration experts say.
 
“By greatly slashing the number of Hispanic and black African immigrants entering America, this proposal would reshape the future United States. Decades ahead, many fewer of us would be nonwhite or have nonwhite people in our families,” said Michael Clemens, an economist at the Center for Global Development, a think tank that has been critical of the proposal. “Selectively blocking immigrant groups changes who America is. This is the biggest attempt in a century to do that.”
 
Trump's plan calls for eliminating all family-based visa programs that are not used for sponsoring either minors or spouses. That means several family-based visa programs — including those that allow sponsorship for siblings, adult parents and adult children — would be canceled. It also calls for the elimination of the diversity visa lottery and the reallocation of its 50,000 visas to reduce the number of immigrants already on a backlog and to go to a new visa based on “merit.”

President Trump and Republicans in Congress say they want to put an end to “chain migration.” Here’s what they mean when they use this expression.
 
The Post analyzed a low-end and high-end estimate for cuts to legal immigration under the Trump plan. The low-end estimate, provided by NumbersUSA, a group that favors limiting immigration, suggests that about 300,000 fewer immigrants will be admitted legally on an annual basis. A high-end estimate from the Cato Institute, which favors immigration, suggests that as many as 500,000 fewer immigrants would be admitted. Cato bases its number, in part, on assumptions that more family visa categories will be cut.
 
Last August, Trump endorsed a Senate bill written by Sens. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) and David Perdue (R-Ga.) that would cut legal immigration levels by about 500,000 people annually, according to estimates by the bill's authors. The White House has not released estimates of its own plan.
 
If Trump's plan is not implemented, the white share of the population is expected to fall from more than 60 percent in 2018 to less than 45 percent in 2060, as the light green lines in the chart below show. The teal lines show The Post's lower estimates of the impact of Trump's proposal, in which whites stay the majority group until 2046. The brown lines show the upper bound of the potential impact of Trump
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