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Msg 460 of 542 to slackerxslackerx 
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8645 (RedBV)

From: 8645 (RedBV)

2/13/21

Seems you don't know me very well . . . ya see I back BLM, back immigration, have assisted getting rid of racists and like for well over 40 yrs, recently assisted in getting rid of one of the parler folks that was a city police chief, etc. . . . for the last 5 yrs worked on getting rid of donnie boy and other left side politics, etc. . . .

As to the question asked of you - what seems so hard about addressing it . . . it should be pretty simple to address controlled immigration and the consequences of non controlled immigration . . . for example - one of the consequences of non-controlled immigration can often result in what amounts to squalor style camps akin to 3rd world refugee camps overwhelming the resources of a nation and available assistance from agencies like the WHO, UN, etc. . . . 

In other words - there is quite a bit involved for immigration to work well . . . and donnie boy damn sure screwed up on the southern border of the U.S. . . . as well in addition to curtailing many of the immigration/refugee programs that were in place in the U.S. when he became the occupant of the Oval Office . . . thankfully he is now gone and Biden is taking the steps ta get the U.S. back on track . . .

So, do you plan on addressing the question asked of you . . .

 
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8645 (RedBV)

From: 8645 (RedBV)

2/13/21

You have mail . . .

 
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

2/14/21

Bud is good people.  He's always welcome here.

 
Msg 463 of 542 to 8645 (RedBV)RedBV 
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el gringo (ramseylurker)

From: el gringo (ramseylurker)

2/14/21

8645 (RedBV) said...

If something strikes my fancy to converse on, such as this thread, I post in it . . .as well, have helped the Host of this forum out in the past . . .

We all do that. But I just wanted to check with the forum owner first, given your reputation for trolling, lies, and hijacking.

 
Economic Policy - Analysis
Trump immigration plan could keep whites in U.S. majority for up to five more years
 
By Jeff Stein and Andrew Van Dam
Feb. 6, 2018 at 9:15 a.m. CST
 
President Trump's proposal to cut legal immigration rates would delay the date that white Americans become a minority of the population by as few as one or as many as five additional years, according to an analysis by The Washington Post.
 
The plan, released by the White House last month, would scale back a program that allows people residing in the United States to sponsor family members living abroad for green cards, and would eliminate the “diversity visa program” that benefits immigrants in countries with historically low levels of migration to the United States. Together, the changes would disproportionately affect immigrants from Latin America and Africa.
 
The Census Bureau projects that minority groups will outnumber non-Hispanic whites in the United States in 2044. The Post's analysis projects that, were Trump's plan to be carried out, the date would be between 2045 and 2049, depending on how parts of it are implemented.
 
(The Post's methodology for estimating the annual impact of Trump's proposed cuts is explained in more detail at the bottom of this report. Projecting this far into the future entails certain assumptions that could alter the range, but demographic experts said The Post's approach was reasonable.)
 
All told, the proposal could cut off entry for more than 20 million legal immigrants over the next four decades. The change could have profound effects on the size of the U.S. population and its composition, altering projections for economic growth and the age of the nation's workforce, as well as shaping its politics and culture, demographers and immigration experts say.
 
“By greatly slashing the number of Hispanic and black African immigrants entering America, this proposal would reshape the future United States. Decades ahead, many fewer of us would be nonwhite or have nonwhite people in our families,” said Michael Clemens, an economist at the Center for Global Development, a think tank that has been critical of the proposal. “Selectively blocking immigrant groups changes who America is. This is the biggest attempt in a century to do that.”
 
Trump's plan calls for eliminating all family-based visa programs that are not used for sponsoring either minors or spouses. That means several family-based visa programs — including those that allow sponsorship for siblings, adult parents and adult children — would be canceled. It also calls for the elimination of the diversity visa lottery and the reallocation of its 50,000 visas to reduce the number of immigrants already on a backlog and to go to a new visa based on “merit.”

President Trump and Republicans in Congress say they want to put an end to “chain migration.” Here’s what they mean when they use this expression.
 
The Post analyzed a low-end and high-end estimate for cuts to legal immigration under the Trump plan. The low-end estimate, provided by NumbersUSA, a group that favors limiting immigration, suggests that about 300,000 fewer immigrants will be admitted legally on an annual basis. A high-end estimate from the Cato Institute, which favors immigration, suggests that as many as 500,000 fewer immigrants would be admitted. Cato bases its number, in part, on assumptions that more family visa categories will be cut.
 
Last August, Trump endorsed a Senate bill written by Sens. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) and David Perdue (R-Ga.) that would cut legal immigration levels by about 500,000 people annually, according to estimates by the bill's authors. The White House has not released estimates of its own plan.
 
If Trump's plan is not implemented, the white share of the population is expected to fall from more than 60 percent in 2018 to less than 45 percent in 2060, as the light green lines in the chart below show. The teal lines show The Post's lower estimates of the impact of Trump's proposal, in which whites stay the majority group until 2046. The brown lines show the upper bound of the potential impact of Trump
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Msg 464 of 542 to el gringo (ramseylurker)ramseylurker 
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8645 (RedBV)

From: 8645 (RedBV)

2/14/21

8645 (RedBV) said...

If something strikes my fancy to converse on, such as this thread, I post in it . . .as well, have helped the Host of this forum out in the past . . .

We all do that. But I just wanted to check with the forum owner first, given your reputation for trolling, lies, and hijacking.

LMAO at you projecting your known antics, ramsey/slackerx/ricardomath, etc. . . . what's comical in that regard is the evidence of your antics right here in this thread . . . 

So, do you plan on answering the question that was asked of you . . . or do you plan on continuing with your known antics . . . instead of discussing the subject you were asked about, eh . . .

 
Msg 465 of 542 to 8645 (RedBV)RedBV 
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slackerx

From: slackerx

2/14/21

8645 (RedBV) said...

ramsey/slackerx/ricardomath, etc. . . . 

A tough guy, huh? Trying to scare me?

Promo March 10, 2011 - Coming Out - Undocumented, Unafraid, Unapologetic

  • Edited February 14, 2021 9:18 pm  by  slackerx
 
Msg 466 of 542 to slackerxslackerx 
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8645 (RedBV)

From: 8645 (RedBV)

2/15/21

8645 (RedBV) said...

If something strikes my fancy to converse on, such as this thread, I post in it . . .as well, have helped the Host of this forum out in the past . . .

We all do that. But I just wanted to check with the forum owner first, given your reputation for trolling, lies, and hijacking.

LMAO at you projecting your known antics, ramsey/slackerx/ricardomath, etc. . . . what's comical in that regard is the evidence of your antics right here in this thread . . . 

So, do you plan on answering the question that was asked of you . . . or do you plan on continuing with your known antics . . . instead of discussing the subject you were asked about, eh . . .

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8645 (RedBV) said...

ramsey/slackerx/ricardomath, etc. . . . 

A tough guy, huh? Trying to scare me?

My, my, lad . . . why do you keep pulling your antics and attempt to project them onto others . . . I've simply asked you a question concerning immigration . . . and all you've down since is make false claims toward me that are projections of yer very own actions . . . some of which I've pointed out . . . such as yer using multiple nics that you use when you decide to make it look like more than one person is going after a poster, or you want to make it look like multiple posters agree with one of yer nics, etc. . . . 

Anyway, makes me no never mind which one of yer nics ya want ta use . . . but do ya plan on answering the question you've been asked concerning immigration . . . or do you plan ta keep pulling yer antics in avoidance of what should be a simple question for you to address, eh lad . . .

 
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slackerx

From: slackerx

2/15/21

Mathe Family Support Rally

 
Msg 468 of 542 to slackerxslackerx 
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8645 (RedBV)

From: 8645 (RedBV)

2/15/21

8645 (RedBV) said...

If something strikes my fancy to converse on, such as this thread, I post in it . . .as well, have helped the Host of this forum out in the past . . .

We all do that. But I just wanted to check with the forum owner first, given your reputation for trolling, lies, and hijacking.

LMAO at you projecting your known antics, ramsey/slackerx/ricardomath, etc. . . . what's comical in that regard is the evidence of your antics right here in this thread . . . 

So, do you plan on answering the question that was asked of you . . . or do you plan on continuing with your known antics . . . instead of discussing the subject you were asked about, eh . . .

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8645 (RedBV) said...

ramsey/slackerx/ricardomath, etc. . . . 

A tough guy, huh? Trying to scare me?

My, my, lad . . . why do you keep pulling your antics and attempt to project them onto others . . . I've simply asked you a question concerning immigration . . . and all you've down since is make false claims toward me that are projections of yer very own actions . . . some of which I've pointed out . . . such as yer using multiple nics that you use when you decide to make it look like more than one person is going after a poster, or you want to make it look like multiple posters agree with one of yer nics, etc. . . . 

Anyway, makes me no never mind which one of yer nics ya want ta use . . . but do ya plan on answering the question you've been asked concerning immigration . . . or do you plan ta keep pulling yer antics in avoidance of what should be a simple question for you to address, eh lad . . .

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From: slackerx
2/14/21 11:30 PM
 
To:8645 (RedBV) DelphiPlus Member Icon 
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Hmmmmmm, you post me a post with no text in it . . . is that to mean that you don't intend to address the question I've asked you . . . or is it to mean that you will now be spamming me with a bunch of vids . . . or is it be you doing ye game of waiting for someone to click on one of yer posts and while they are doing a response to you . . . you are editing yer post to make it look as if something else has taken place . . . 
 
Anyway, the question asked of you should be pretty simple for you . . . you present yourself as someone familiar with immigration - so would think you should be able to address it . . . or are you one of the folks that perhaps doesn't believe a nation should be able to set any parameters for immigration into their nation . . . more or less a sorta of notion that if one wants to live in some other country they should be able ta just pack up and move in - no need for passports, visas, etc. . . .
 
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el gringo (ramseylurker)

From: el gringo (ramseylurker)

2/15/21

Underground network readies homes to hide undocumented immigrants
 
By Kyung Lah, Alberto Moya and Mallory Simon, CNN
 
Updated 8:46 PM EST, Sun February 26, 2017

 (CNN) —  A hammer pounds away in the living room of a middle class home. A sanding machine smoothes the grain of the wood floor in the dining room.
 
But this home Pastor Ada Valiente is showing off in Los Angeles, with its refurbished floors, is no ordinary home.
 
“It would be three families we host here,” Valiente says.
 
By “host,” she means provide refuge to people who may be sought by US Immigration and Customs Enforcement, known as ICE. The families staying here would be undocumented immigrants, fearing an ICE raid and possible deportation.
 
The purchase of this home is part of a network formed by Los Angeles religious leaders across faiths in the wake of Donald Trump’s election. The intent is to shelter hundreds, possibly thousands of undocumented people in safe houses across Southern California.
 
The goal is to offer another sanctuary beyond religious buildings or schools, ones that require federal authorities to obtain warrants before entering the homes.
 
“That’s what we need to do as a community to keep families together,” Valiente says.
 
At another Los Angeles neighborhood miles away, a Jewish man shows off a sparsely decorated spare bedroom in his home. White sheets on the bed and the clean, adjacent full bathroom bear all the markers of an impending visit. The man, who asked not to be identified, pictures an undocumented woman and her children who may find refuge in his home someday.
 
The man says he’s never been in trouble before and has difficulty picturing that moment. But he’s well educated and understands the Fourth Amendment, which gives people the right to be secure in their homes, against unreasonable searches and seizures. He’s pictured the moment if ICE were to knock on his door.
 
“I definitely won’t let them in. That’s our legal right,” he says. “If they have a warrant, then they can come in. I can imagine that could be scary, but I feel the consequences of being passive in this moment is a little scary.”
 
The secret network
Rev. Zach Hoover wants to help immigrant families fearing deportation stay hidden and together.
 
The religious leaders have a name for their network: the Rapid Response Team. The idea is not necessarily a new one, according to Reverend Zach Hoover, executive director of the interfaith community organization LA Voice.
 
Hoover, 37, wasn’t an active member during the Sanctuary Movement of the 1980s when US congregations across faiths resisted federal law and provided shelter for Central Americans fleeing
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