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adwil

From: adwil

10/22/19

adwil said:
 "I'm more interested to know why she lies about the number of victims of the Holocaust." Lipstadt doesn't. It's a rough estimate. We still have no real idea of the exact number of people murdered during the Holocaust. 

This is how you should have set out this comment.


 <<I'm more interested to know why she lies about the number of victims of the Holocaust.>>   (Those are your words, indicated by <<__>>)

adwil said: "Lipstadt doesn't. It's a rough estimate. We still have no real idea of the exact number of people murdered during the Holocaust."

Those are my words indicated by "__"

You need to make it clearer who the quote belongs to.

_______________________________________

Now to deal with your first point.

"Lipstadt states this (or appears to do so, its not actually in her text, I think its on the cover of some editions of her landmark book "

Are you complaining about Lipstadt or her Publisher's blurb? 

"those who insist that the death of six million Jews in Nazi concentration camps is nothing but a hoax perpetrated by a powerful Zionist conspiracy"

Is this Lipstadt or her publisher?  I don't own the book so can't check.

Your quote appears in an Amazon description. Who wrote it? If Amazon, there's no case for Lipstadt to answer.

You delight in the imaginary damage you think her reputation has suffered: "expensively destroying the career of another observer and researcher)."

But she hasn't had her career 'destroyed'. That's wishful thinking. She's Professor of Holocaust Studies at Brandeis Uni. She can hardly rise higher in her field. 

Now let's look at your allegation 

"She states that Deniers are:

"those who insist that the death of six million Jews in Nazi concentration camps is nothing but a hoax perpetrated by a powerful Zionist conspiracy"

"A statement that's patently untrue - six million is not the number of deaths in the camps. She seems to have about doubled the real figure:

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/documenting-numbers-of-victims-of-the-holocaust-and-nazi-persecution"

You're ignoring the point she (OR her publisher or Amazon) are making by focusing on a detail.  It is demonstrably true that Holocaust deniers assert that the Holocaust was a hoax perpetrated by Jews. That's the important bit.

You can argue about the figures until 'the cows come home'. Whether 3 million or 6 million died in the Camps is irrelevant. Don't forget the Jewish slave labourers who were worked to death in the sub-camps and factories. Don't omit the Jews that were murdered by being gassed in buses and vans in Russia and Serbia. Don't omit those Jews who died on the 'Death Marches'. Don't omit the Jews who died of typhus and other diseases in the camps. The total was about 6 million. 

All the deaths count.

Then you make some silly (deliberate?) mistakes. .. "To question a survivor's testimony, to denounce the role of Jewish collaborators, to suggest that Germans suffered during the bombing of Dresden or that any state except Germany committed crimes in World War II - this is all evidence, according to Lipstadt, of Holocaust denial.[55 Lipstadt "Denying the Holocaust" p.6, 12, 22, 89-90.] cited in https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=VrqK5VdO2i0C&pg=PA70"

Unfortunately you're being inaccurate. The words above were written by Norman Finkelstein on page 70 of "The Holocaust industry,"  

Your next piece of evidence allegedly comes from Atlantic Monthly. You reference it there but your link takes me to page 70 of Finklestein's book where there is no mention of what you allege.

Sloppy or what!!

I was momentarily pleased to see an accurate (and referenced) quote from Arendts 'Eichmann in Jerusalem'. 

 Then you spoil it all with a stupid piece of anti-Semitism which shows your true motivation. 

"(Arendt is of course lying - those she claims are the Jews were actually the Zionists in their number, elbowing their way to the lead, accepting Nazi inducements to betray their own people just as, 7 years earlier in 1933, they'd accepted American money to betray their own people, preaching "Jews cannot be Germans")."

The 'Jews cannot be Germans' quote comes from the Nazi campaign against the Jews in Hildersheim. It's a Nazi slogan. 

https://www.jta.org/1934/03/16/archive/the-new-boycott-campaign-against-jews-in-german/amp

You KNOW that because I told you in an earlier post.

Now prove the rest of what you've alleged.

adwil

From: adwil

10/22/19

"usual predictable end to the idiots lies"

Unfortunately, not in his closed mind. He'll just repeat the same assertions next time he addresses this subject.

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

10/22/19

adwil said:

adwil said:  "I'm more interested to know why she lies about the number of victims of the Holocaust." Lipstadt doesn't. It's a rough estimate. 

You're denying the six million number - as top Holocaust Schollar, Deborah Lipstadt does.

I'm reasonably satisfied that the six million number is genuine - who has ever argued its considerably more?

Its not a rough estimate - its a lie - between 3 and 5 million Jews died in the concentration camps. Between 1 and 3 million died in their homes or in the open.

If you lie about it now then that makes its gravely suspicious when you attack Holocaust Deniers for having a lower estimate.

(I'm satisfied that its correct because its near contemporaneous - and the Zionists hated it so much when it came out!)

Other people are throw in prison have their lies destroyed for disputing this number - you're now saying that its a fraud.

***

I may or may not be able to trash the rest of your falsehoods right now, there is only one thing that needs immediate response:

The phrase "Jews cannot be Germans" (I don't even know what it is in German) may have been used by Nazis - we seem to have no evidence for that (which is pretty mysterious).

What we know, from passionate Zionist Black, is that the Zionists were pleased with it and used it.

And we have evidence, from kosher sources, that Chaim Weizmann and the other Zionists were expressing this openly in 1919/1920.

Chaim Weizmann and the other Zionists saw the refugees of WW1 and wanted them in Palestine with the blessing and money of the British. Huge efforts by the British until 1925 to make this work ended in failure and by 1930 the ghastly experiment was failing.

That's why the Zionists set about destroying Germany unless it would expel the Jews. More to follow.

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bml00

From: bml00

10/22/19

BerrySteph said:

The phrase "Jews cannot be Germans" (I don't even know what it is in German) may have been used by Nazis - we seem to have no evidence for that (which is pretty mysterious).

The LIAR  prick has used and lied the above quote so many times it is incredible and now faced with facts he is f..ked totally as usual

BM

adwil

From: adwil

10/22/19

BerrySteph said:

I may or may not be able to trash the rest of your falsehoods right now, there is only one thing that needs immediate response: The phrase "Jews cannot be Germans" (I don't even know what it is in German) may have been used by Nazis - we seem to have no evidence for that (which is pretty mysterious). What we know, from passionate Zionist Black, is that the Zionists were pleased with it and used it. And we have evidence, from kosher sources, that Chaim Weizmann and the other Zionists were expressing this openly in 1919/1920. Chaim Weizmann and the other Zionists saw the refugees of WW1 and wanted them in Palestine with the blessing and money of the British. Huge efforts by the British until 1925 to make this work ended in failure and by 1930 the ghastly experiment was failing. That's why the Zionists set about destroying Germany unless it would expel the Jews.

Present some evidence. 

adwil

From: adwil

10/22/19

bml00 said:

"has used and lied the above quote so many times it is incredible and now faced with facts he is f..ked totally as usual"

He's been given the reference to it but is still in denial.

bml00

From: bml00

10/22/19

The idiot has buggered off as usual his one time favourite "Jews cant be Germans" must be a real bummer to get shown up time and time and time again

BM

Maybe I should butt out, but I am having difficulty understanding this thread. “Jews cannot be Germans”

I once played chess with a man in Kiel Germany who was very proud of his Judaism. 
 

As I perceive things, Jewish is a faith and heritage, German is a nationality- why wouldn’t someone be able to be both?

adwil

From: adwil

10/22/19

George Of The Jungle (GOTJ1) said:

As I perceive things, Jewish is a faith and heritage, German is a nationality- why wouldn’t someone be able to be both?

Of course, they should be and are both. 

The slogan is historical from  1930s Germany when the Nazis were trying to turn the German population against Jewish Germans. 

adwil

From: adwil

10/22/19

Yes, you'd have thought he'd have adjusted. 

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