Coalition of the Confused

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Revenge is heroic and admirable and well worth remembering   Africa and the Middle East

Started Nov-8 by BerrySteph; 206 views.

From: BerrySteph


Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

It's interesting that later in life some were glad they failed in their mission.

That happens to a lot of terrorists.

Why is Israel glamorising a failed attempt at genocide?

Why are we suckered into reading it with interest and not being totally sickened by it?

Especially when its increasingly clear that the German people (under a very ruthless dictatorship) never had it in for the Jews?

I am indebted to BM for drawing my attention to this:

A very interesting well crafted article reviewing the gradual radicalisation of the Nazis Party

Interesting indeed. ... Oded Heilbronner is a lecturer in cultural and historical studies at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and Shenkar College of Engineering and Design.

And in the article that BM recommended, Oded Heilbronner actually says the reverse of what all the Zionists insist!

c. 2004 ... Until the 1960s most studies of the Nazi Party and National Socialism argued that antisemitism was an essential factor in explaining Nazi success before 1933.[1. Kershaw ... Kulka ... Leo Baeck]

But in recent decades, numerous studies have shown that antisemitism was probably somewhat underrepresented in Nazi Party activity and propaganda in the period before 1933, particularly in the last years before Hitler became Chancellor.

Today, most studies agree that although a hardcore of radical antisemites existed within the party, most members avoided engaging in antisemitic activity.

Millions of Nazi voters did not cast their vote for the party because they were antisemites. They were prepared to accept the Nazi Party’s 1920 programme, including the antisemitic paragraph, only if the party offered them bread, jobs and hope for the future.

... Contrary to Daniel J. Goldhagen’s controversial thesis of an ‘eliminationist antisemitism’ prevalent in Germany in the nineteenth century,[3. .. Hitler’s Willing Executioners ... 1996] most researchers accept the oft-repeated argument that before the First World War Germany was not an antisemitic country, and that there was no such thing as a homogeneous, national German antisemitism.

That does not mean that hatred of Jews did not exist, but it was local, lasted for relatively short periods and served the interests of particular social groups. The absence of any dominant cultural hegemony, any single political culture in Germany, largely explains the limitations on the spread of antisemitism.[4. Heilbronner 2000 ... Poetzsch 2000]

One should also consider the assumption that prior to the First World War a taboo, based on middle-class mores, existed against certain forms of antisemitism, and that only the war and post-1918 conditions undermined this, so that the taboo lost its potency.[5. Kauders 1996]

All this explains why widespread antisemitism did not exist as a dominant force in Germany in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. The ‘restless Reich’, the ‘nervous Reich’[6. terms from Stürmer 1983 ... Radkau 1998] was riddled with cultural and, especially, religious contradictions.

These contradictions and differences in the socioeconomic traditions in the various parts of Germany played a decisive role in limiting the scope of German antisemitism.

Now, I cannot guarantee that that is true - but don't you think its a very, very important article concerning the event we know to be the most important in human history?