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Started 11/21/19 by Jenifer (Zarknorph); 80000 views. (Closed)(Closed to new replies)
In reply toRe: msg 511
8645 (RedBV)

From: 8645 (RedBV)

2/15/21

Well it seems that, slackerx/ramsey/ricardomath, etc. . . . is locked into projection, spamming games . . . oh well - so here is a topic concerning Israel -

Marriage in Israel -

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/civil-marriage-in-israel/

According to the country’s law, marriages in Israel are performed by sanctioned religious authorities–be they Muslim, Jewish, Druze, or Christian.

Within Israel, only the Israeli rabbinate can marry Jewish couples. And the Israeli rabbinate is an exclusively Orthodox institution, so it insists that the marriages its rabbis perform be subject to the strictures of traditional halakhah (Jewish law).

The Law of Return grants anyone with at least one Jewish grandparent, and his or her spouse, the right to immigrate to and settle in Israel and gain automatic citizenship. But the Israeli rabbinate will only perform the marriage of a person defined as Jewish by Orthodox halakhah–in other words, someone born to a Jewish mother or converted through the Orthodox rabbinate.

In 2010, Israel passed the Civil Union Law, allowing a couple to marry civilly in Israel if they are both registered as officially not belonging to any religion.  Out of the 300,000 Israelis not recognized as Jewish by the Israeli rabbinate who have no other religious affiliation, only 30,000 are officially registered as without a religion, so only they can take advantage of this law.  This law also does not help couples like Diana and Alexander, where one member of the couple is registered as Jewish, nor does it help a Jewish couple that cannot or do not want to marry through the Israeli rabbinate. Still, civil marriage advocates see this law as a small step in the right direction, and hope that it will lead to more far-reaching legislation.

Jewish Israelis who cannot or do not wish to marry through the Israeli rabbinate must explore other options. Since the Israeli population registry recognizes civil marriages performed abroad, a growing number of Israelis are marrying in civil ceremonies outside Israel, and circumventing the rabbinate altogether.

Cyprus, a relatively convenient locale near Israel, is a particularly popular marriage destination for Israelis. Israelis who also hold citizenship in another country have the option of marrying civilly at that country’s consulate in Israel. And some Israelis who wish to have a religious wedding, but do not want it to be Orthodox, marry in a Reform or Conservative ceremony either overseas or in Israel, but also have a civil marriage outside of Israel. ...

In reply toRe: msg 512
8645 (RedBV)

From: 8645 (RedBV)

2/15/21

So an alternative to the above is 

Common Law Marriage -

https://www.newfamily.org.il/en/common-law-marriage/

In Israel, where there is no civil marriage, common law marriage is an alternative to religious marriage that the couple may not be eligible for or reject for ideological reasons. Since only a man and a woman of the same religion who are both citizens and residents of Israel can have a religious marriage in Israel, common-law marriage provides a legal alternative for gays, lesbians, interfaith and bi-national couples, women denied a divorce, religiously taboo unions, people who are religiously prohibited from marrying, people who don’t meet the religious definition of any faith, and more.

Common-Law marriage is an especially attractive alternative since New Family’s advocacy and litigation has generated judicial interpretations and policy changes that made common law marriage a status virtually equal to marriage. Common law couples might have been married in a civil or religious ceremony that is not recognized by the state-such as a Reform or Conservative Jewish marriage that is not recognized in Israel-or signed a shared living agreement or simply live together without a written agreement.

The growing popularity of common law relationships is part of a global trend. In Europe and North America, marriage rates have steadily declined and more and more couples live together without formal marriage. In Israel, an estimated 180,000 couples live together in common law marriage, 45% of which have anchored their relationship in a legal contract.

Legal Status

Common law relationships are not registered by the Interior Ministry and the personal status of the partners remains ‘single’. Yet. common-law partners can prove their eligibility for status and rights equal to married couples with Domestic Union Cards™ and contractual marriage.

Common law relationships are often anchored in a share living agreement that details the partnership between the two individuals and gives judicial authority to the relationship. Having a legal agreement eases the process by which a couple receives social benefits and clearly establishes the rights and obligations within the relationship and for its dissolution in the event of separation. ...

slackerx

From: slackerx

2/15/21

8645 (RedBV) said...

bi-national couples

Back in the 1980s, a friend of mine who was on the faculty got a 1 year visiting position in the Math Department at some university in Israel. (I forget which university.)

He was born in Uruguay, but was a US Citizen. He called himself an MK (Missionary Kid) since his parents were Christian Missionaries from the USA. Apparently, MKs have a reputation for rebelliousness and misbehavior, but that's another story.

Anyway, when he was in Israel, he met an Jewish immigrant from Uruguay, and started dating her since they both spoke Spanish, having both been born in Uruguay. She was an Israeli citizen.

Since he was Christian, and she was Jewish, they were unable to get married in Israel.

  • Edited February 15, 2021 3:56 pm  by  slackerx
8645 (RedBV)

From: 8645 (RedBV)

2/15/21

8645 (RedBV) said...

bi-national couples

 

First of all, I didn't say the above, slackerx/ramsey/ricardomath, etc. . . . 

Back in the 1980s, a friend of mine who was on the faculty got a 1 year visiting position in the Math Department at some university in Israel. (I forget which university.)

He was born in Uruguay, but was a US Citizen. He called himself an MK (Missionary Kid) since his parents were Christian Missionaries from the USA. Apparently, MKs have a reputation for rebelliousness and misbehavior, but that's another story.

Anyway, when he was in Israel, he met an Jewish immigrant from Uruguay, and started dating her since they both spoke Spanish, having both been born in Uruguay. She was an Israeli citizen.

Since he was Christian, and she was Jewish, they were unable to get married in Israel.

The situation that you bring up is pointed out in the articles that provided . . . as well, the articles point out the way they couple could have gotten married - i.e. getting married outside of Israel and or due the common law contract thing . . . 

Further, now a days . . . if a couple wants to get married in Israel they can do so . . . and here is how -

https://weddinisrael.com/

To include -

https://weddinisrael.com/lgbtq-wedding-in-israel/

Granted, since you say the situation you bring up happened back in the 80's . . . likely the above options didn't exist at that time . . . but things change and thus the above options that now exist . . .

 

8645 (RedBV) said...

8645 (RedBV) said...

bi-national couples

First of all, I didn't say the above

Yes you did. Delphi's quote mechanism works better than your memory.

8645 (RedBV)

From: 8645 (RedBV)

2/15/21

8645 (RedBV) said...

8645 (RedBV) said...

bi-national couples

First of all, I didn't say the above

Yes you did. Delphi's quote mechanism works better than your memory.

ROTFLMAO at ya, slackerx/ramsey/ricardomath, etc., lying yer ass off, lad . . . it is quite clear to anyone reading my post what you quote is from the article provided and thus from the author(s) of the article . . . and it is not from me . . .

But hey, leave it to you to take a quirk of Delphi's quote feature . . . and try to play games with it, since you like to make false stuff up in your game playing, slackerx/ramsey/ricardomath, etc. . . . 

8645 (RedBV)

From: 8645 (RedBV)

2/15/21

Btw, slackerx/ramsey/ricardomath, etc. . . . it seemed you didn't want to discuss things about Israel anymore . . . have ya changed yer mind, lad . . .

8645 (RedBV) said...

8645 (RedBV) said...

8645 (RedBV) said...

bi-national couples

First of all, I didn't say the above

Yes you did. Delphi's quote mechanism works better than your memory.

ROTFLMAO at ya, slackerx/ramsey/ricardomath, etc., lying yer ass off, lad . . . it is quite clear to anyone reading my post what you quote is from the article provided and thus from the author(s) of the article . . . and it is not from me . . .

But hey, leave it to you to take a quirk of Delphi's quote feature . . . and try to play games with it, since you like to make false stuff up in your game playing, slackerx/ramsey/ricardomath, etc. . . . 

What is this troll talking about?

Do you know?

Does he seriously not understand how Delphi's quoting mechanism works?

The ability to quote is a feature, not a quirk. 

8645 (RedBV)

From: 8645 (RedBV)

2/15/21

el gringo (ramseylurker) said...

 

8645 (RedBV) said...

8645 (RedBV) said...

8645 (RedBV) said...

bi-national couples

First of all, I didn't say the above

Yes you did. Delphi's quote mechanism works better than your memory.

ROTFLMAO at ya, slackerx/ramsey/ricardomath, etc., lying yer ass off, lad . . . it is quite clear to anyone reading my post what you quote is from the article provided and thus from the author(s) of the article . . . and it is not from me . . .

But hey, leave it to you to take a quirk of Delphi's quote feature . . . and try to play games with it, since you like to make false stuff up in your game playing, slackerx/ramsey/ricardomath, etc. . . . 

What is this troll talking about?

Do you know?

Does he seriously not understand how Delphi's quoting mechanism works?

The ability to quote is a feature, not a quirk. 

 

ROTFLMAO at ya and you lying yer ass off and games of deception, slackerx/ramsey/ricardomath . . . anyone using Delpi's quote feature knows that when you press the curly quote marks in the editing bar tools . . . it quotes the entire post being responded to. . . and if you wish to make it look like someone has said something they didn't . . . simply edit that quote by backspacing before and after the text you want to use . . . to make that false claim . . . which is what you did, son . . .

It's funny that you wish to play such games over the junk you try and pass off . . . that is so easily refuted, lad . . . 

 

8645 (RedBV)

From: 8645 (RedBV)

2/15/21

el gringo (ramseylurker) said...
and for sure I have zero trust in any Palestinian "eye witnesses" sorry

 

Why my dear, slackerx/ramsey/ricardomath, etc. . . . so you don't have any trust in those folks, eh . . . how come, lad . . .

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Post edit: see how simple that is, slackerx/ramsey/ricardomath, etc. . . . 

Everyone - of course the lad didn't actually say that . . . just demonstrating the game he is playing - with selective editing . . .

 

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