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Police Reform in the US   America - all of it

Started Jun-9 by Jenifer (Zarknorph); 2654 views.
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Has it been done before?

Yep, in a couple of places.

In Eugene, Oregon a program called CAHOOTS (Crisis Assistance Helping Out on the Streets) is now tackling up to 17 per cent of 911 calls that come into the Eugene Police Department.

When a 911 operator receives a mental-health-related call, a member of CAHOOTS is sent out instead of a police officer. CAHOOTS teams are made up of a medic and a crisis worker who are trained to de-escalate situations and help a person move on to the next step of treatment.

In 2012, with crime rampant in Camden, New Jersey, the city disbanded its police department and replaced it with a new force that covered Camden County.

What about those who oppose it?

US President Donald Trump is firmly against the idea of defunding police forces across America.

"We won't be defunding our police. We won't be dismantling our police. We won't be disbanding our police," Mr Trump said.

"We won't be ending our police force in a city. I guess you might have some cities who want to try but it's going to be very, a very sad situation if they did, because people aren't going to be protected."

Mr Trump has little direct authority over most police in the US, with state and local governments controlling their own departments.

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If it becomes law, the bill would change a wide array of common practices, including:

  • It would eliminate the "qualified immunity" defence for both police and correctional officers where their actions have been deemed unlawful, including in excessive force cases
  • Civil rights protections would be strengthened by making police liable for constitutional violations that are done "knowingly or with reckless disregard"
  • It would restrict the use of lethal force to situations in which it is deemed "necessary" and after all reasonable alternatives have been exhausted
  • Chokeholds and carotid holds, such as the knee-on-neck restraint that killed Mr Floyd, would be banned
  • Racial profiling in federal law enforcement agencies would be prohibited
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bml00

From: bml00

Jun-9

This is such nonsense such a waste of time , the police need recruits of the highest calibre , given the best weapons and the best training .

The death of Floyd is dreadful , police killed in the line of action hardly make a line in the Global press

BM

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

Jun-10

bml00 said:

the police need recruits of the highest calibre , given the best weapons and the best training .

To do what?

Given their current workload, their training needs to include degrees in:

  • Psychology
  • Pharmacology
  • Crisis Management
  • Women's studies
  • Sociology
  • Economics
  • Black history
  • Latino history
  • Plus a course in conflict resolution

That way they would finally be prepared to deal with drug overdoses, the mentally ill, the homeless, domestic violence and community unrest on top of catching all the criminals.

OR...

They could JUST catch the criminals and leave the rest of it to special divisions within the community specifically set up to deal with mental illness.  Or drug addiction.  Or domestic disputes.

That's the idea.

bml00

From: bml00

Jun-10

The US society be it right or wrong has the bad guys as well armed as the good guys , most cops are good the same as most soldiers are good .

Cops and Soldiers go through lengthy training and analysis to reach a point where they are accepted , the nature of their  very job in certain circumstances will exasperate even a saint .

These incidents sad as they are bring in two groups one is a group who has never ever been faced with life or death situations BUT BELIEVE they know how they would or should  act the Other group has faced these incidents and know very well that no matter the training the knowledge when fighting for your life whether a policeman on a routine stop or a soldier anywhere will face that moment of truth .

Floyd NEVER deserved to die as he did but until we know the full back ground I will reserve judgement . I visit LA (OR I DID visit LA) OFTEN South LA is somewhere YOU DONT GO AT NIGHT , I stopped for fuel and was met by heavily armed attendants , I entered late night convenient stores and was met with signs that that the staff are armed .

I do not excuse the officers , you must however come to understand the back ground to this and other cases .

BM

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

Jun-10

One very important thing to consider is that the man who actually knelt on Floyd's neck was TRAINING a rookie cop that day.

bml00 said:

I stopped for fuel and was met by heavily armed attendants , I entered late night convenient stores and was met with signs that that the staff are armed .

And did you see any criminals?

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

Jun-10

bml00

From: bml00

Jun-10

I was driving a $300,000 dollar Bentley Continental (my cousins) we were not looking for criminals we are not policemen and we had no choice but to drive through South LA , I am sure we were seen and noticed by many

With regards to the death of Floyd the tabloids are full of salacious details whether they are true , partly true not true at all I dont know nor do you - we all know what we know but nobody has bona fide facts

BM

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