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Black Lies Matter   America - all of it

Started Aug-12 by Apollonius (Theocritos); 13162 views.

Possibly in reaction to the methods of BLM.

BLM was originally created in the aftermath of Ferguson. The rallying cry of that fatal incident, “Hands up don’t shoot,” was a lie. Mr. Brown wasn’t murdered; he was killed, shot while charging at a police officer after attacking a store clerk.  Subsequent riots have happened in the exactly like circumstances:  a black man on drugs resists arrest and is killed.   Edited images and stories appear in the media before all the facts, even the most basic facts, are known.

The narrative that has been promoted by much of the media and apparently swallowed by tens of millions, is that there exists a wave of murders of unarmed black men by police. That narrative is also a lie. This past year, in a country of over 330,000,000, a total of ten unarmed black men were killed by police. Eight of these killings were fully justified, there is maybe uncertainty on two.

Jenifer (Zarknorph)

I agree that there are a lot of problems with the priorities of the movement, but that does not mean it cannot do some good.

If Black Lives Matter becomes more of a core belief among black communities, then black on black violence could diminish.

I still agree that defunding the police and putting the money into education and community programs will help disadvantaged communities pull themselves up.

No, BLM is doing no good.  It is doing a lot of harm.

Violent crime in big Democrat controlled cities is way up.  The people most affected by this are black people.  They are the victims, murdered by black guys.

Race relations in the U.S. have reached a new nadir, the worst in at least sixty years.  It will take at least another generation to repair the damage.

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

I still agree that defunding the police and putting the money into education.

Instead of defunding the police, stop regulating the public - Francis Menton, Manhattan Contrarian, 8 October 2020

... There has been so much anger directed at the police generally, and at the specific officers involved in deadly encounters, that larger forces at play are getting overlooked. There have been proposed policing reforms, but so far those reforms have focused mainly on specific police tactics that have led to bad outcomes (e.g. no-knock warrants, choke-holds, use of excessive force). I agree with many of these, and have also suggested ending no-knock warrants in a previous article. Republican Senator Rand Paul, who represents Breonna’s home state of Kentucky, wrote a signature bill in her honor, the Justice for Breonna Taylor Act, that also calls for an end to no-knock warrants. 

However, even these proposals treat the symptoms and not the disease. The disease is the endless proliferation of laws and regulations that can only be implemented through extensive police enforcement against members of the public, with the ever-increasing potential for friction and violence. A policy regime seriously intended to minimize violent police-civilian encounters would limit criminal laws and coercive regulations almost entirely to matters of serious use of force or fraud. That’s not what our government is doing. Instead we have extensive criminal laws and coercive regulations that prohibit – and impose draconian penalties on – consensual and non-violent behavior.  

By far the leading example of this phenomenon is the Drug War. It’s no wonder that civilians feel they are under attack when drastic measures such as late-night no-knock warrants have become a common practice for non-violent crimes. The very fact that our government conducts a domestic “war” can explain “militarization” of police. And as long as police are told they’re fighting a war, they can justify use of force. It’s easy to see how police would come to see civilians as their opponents — and vice versa. In war, there is always an enemy. But while police have visibility in the public eye and have become targets, they are soldiers in the government’s army.

And although it is by far the largest cause of these problems, the Drug War is far from the only example of an over-legalized criminal and regulatory regime driving police-civilian animosity and even violence. The policy prescriptions of the progressive and social justice left – the same people calling to “defund the police” – are a source of near-infinite proposals to micromanage citizens in an endless quest to perfect human behavior. This group is seemingly oblivious to the inevitable consequences of necessary police enforcement and increased police-civilian friction.  Here are several examples:

Menton then writes about:

Gun control

Covid 19

and in particular, the Nanny State:

The same person who ultimately apologized for ordering the intrusive actions of the NYPD with stop-and-frisk also had an endless desire to write more laws to create his view of an ideal society. This website has a catalogue of all the regulations on his agenda. Says the source: “A better question might be what hasn't he tried to regulate or ban…: alcohol, calorie counts, carbon, cell phones, cigarettes, contraceptives, composting, fingerprinting, gasoline, noise, politics, privacy, Second Amendment, soda, sodium, Styrofoam, taxis, tanning, traffic congestion and trans fats.”  How are all these rules and regulations to be enforced, other than by police action?  And it’s not just Bloomberg. Before the pandemic struck, the whole country was in the midst of a push to implement bans on plastic water bottles, grocery bags, and straws.

Who do Democrats think enforce the rules they write? Perhaps the “abolish the  police” idealists imagine they can get the community to monitor itself, 
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But she needs to calm the hell down.

I've seen her speak numerous times and had no idea what you might be talking about. Until I got to the point where she talked about "victim mentality". Tell the truth, that's what triggered you, isn't it?

but that does not mean it cannot do some good.

It's been in our streets for years. What "good" has it accomplished?

Oh, sorry, are you "triggered" again?

Jenifer (Zarknorph)


Bored Bob?

Need to troll to get your rocks off?

Still playing "head troll" in your forum I see. Pretending to respond while actually only posting personal attack. Once again;

but that does not mean it cannot do some good.

It's been in our streets for years. What "good" has it accomplished?

Oh, sorry, are you "triggered" again?

Jenifer (Zarknorph)

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)


Bob, you repeat the same jabs over and over.

Yes, they are small, but there are hundreds of them.

It's mildly irritating.

And it draws focus away from whatever you actually want to talk about.

So I have to trawl back through the thread to find out what you want to discuss amidst the pinpricks.

Jenifer (Zarknorph)

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)


Make Dems Cry Again 2020! (bobrazz) said:

It's been in our streets for years. What "good" has it accomplished?

OK, now I have context.

The "good" it has accomplished is bringing forward the ideas and social policies involved in defunding the police.

Unfortunately this "side movement" has chosen a terrible name that is very misleading.