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Guns. Yes, let's have a discussion   General Confusion

Started 10/5/17 by Johneeo; 62355 views.
HWPeeler (HPeeler)

From: HWPeeler (HPeeler)

10/6/17

In that case you might need more than six.

Fuzzy (daFuzzy1959)

From: Fuzzy (daFuzzy1959)

10/6/17

That's interesting.... I don't have a gun but hubby does... Years ago, here in Texas, when the Concealed Carry License first became available, hubby was in the first class... it met several times, I can't remember if it was just once a week, but it took a few months... he had to pass a written exam... he had to pass the shooting exam at the gun range... course, he had to pass the background check.... He was still a rare coin dealer at the time and they were often robbed at gun point... He never had to use his gun (it's never been out of the car glove compartment that I know of)... He keeps up with his license.... I'm guessing the requirements are not as stringent as they were about 10 or so years ago... I think it was a good idea to have an educational class on gun laws and safety - there were things he didn't know about specific laws.... You have to take a written and driving exam to drive a car... I think it's wise to do the same if someone wants to carry a concealed gun....

Jenifer (Zarknorph)

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

10/7/17

HWPeeler (HPeeler) said:

Gun collectors or investors.

Yes, if you are collecting flint lock pistols or blunderbusses, then fine.  Have 500, for all I care.  

But the arsenal pictured above is a different story.

Jenifer (Zarknorph)

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

10/7/17

Johneeo said:

What is the difference if I own one gun, two, five or 20?  One gun kills just as good as the next.

The difference is Las Vegas.  If he had one gun he could not have switched weapons and continued firing.

The respite, no matter how brief, while he changed ammunition could have saved lives as the concert goers got out of the fishbowl and behind cover.

Jenifer (Zarknorph)

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

10/7/17

Johneeo said:

As for killing, cars, trucks, and fertilizer can be so much more effective than guns.

Argh!  This argument infuriates me!

  • A car or truck can drive a person to a hospital, saving that person's life.  A gun can not.
  • A knife can remove a bullet, tumor or blocked artery from a body, saving that person's life.  A gun can not.
  • A rope can hoist a person to safety, saving that person's life.  A gun can not.
  • Fertilizer can grow food to feed the starving, saving a person's life.  A gun can not

And my converse are high top black canvas.

I forgot about my thigh high suede boots!

Jenifer (Zarknorph)

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

10/7/17

Johneeo said:

Well, Antifa has declared a war to begin on November 4.

Aw crap.  Who are they fighting?   Store windows?

Jenifer (Zarknorph)

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

11/6/17

Packing meat, not heat

In August last year, days after Texas passed its campus carry laws, UT students held a "Cocks Not Glocks"protest where they passed out 5,000 silicone dildos with what Rolling Stone called "the fervour of a humanitarian mission". Flouting a dildo breached the UT code of conduct.

The dick joke went viral.

Cocks not Glocks protest

The chief organiser, Jessica Jin, told Hack the new law had divided the campus. Polls showed about half of students supported the measure, although students carrying guns remained a tiny minority and hard to identify; they kept a low profile to avoid being targeted.

"It created a lot of finger pointing, a lot of students fearing each other," she said.

"Whereas the bigger conversation is why do students have to live in fear constantly?"

This year there have been six shootings on US college campuses with a total of six dead and seven injured. Last year was particularly bad: 14 shootings and nine dead.

"There's a group of students who feel they cannot survive a day in class without a gun," Jessica said.

"Their fear should be treated as valid.

"Why are you so scared about going to class, why do you feel like you can't survive unless you have a gun in your backpack?"

It created this culture of division and mistrust on campus."

Will arming students stop shooters?

The push to allow concealed carry on campus dates back to the Virginia Tech shooting in 2007, when a student stalked the corridors of campus, opening doors and executing the students cowering inside. He killed 32. At the time, it was the US's worst ever mass shooting.

Gun advocates asked: what if the victims had shot back?

http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/how-campus-carry-gun-laws-changed-university-of-texas/9124030

Oomp (AstroLib)

From: Oomp (AstroLib)

11/7/17

The recent Las Vegas shooting, now alongside the Texas church thing revived my  gun "warning" idea from a few years back.

For those who never saw it:

(Aimed principally at the USA):
Every firearm sold/imported in the USA must have an RFID or transponder implanted in the frame. Placing scanner/readers near the entrances of "natural targets" for freaks, a scanner could simply lock the  entry door when a "possible threat" gun passes it, giving security personnel  a heads up of need so they can respond before the  bullets start flying  rather than start by reacting to  the shots which may already have killed people.

The biggest problem I see with it is that it will take decades before  use would be widespread enough to make a significant counterpoint to the old pre-chip weapons. 
Although scanners are relatively cheap (less than $1000 for some), it will still cost  schools, churches etc.  collective millions  ($50,000,000 to wire up 10,000 buildings at $5000 each)to install the devices nationwide.

If only one freak is thwarted in the first 20 years,  and the scanners end up costing $5000 per building, the question becomes: The murders kill  an average of 10 people  (or whatever) per spree.  Would you help raise $5000 to  help prevent your child  or seatmate, or just 10 people at random  from being murdered in school or church?

Look, there's a lot more than this, but if you're intrigued, I could use some help.  NOT MONEY.  Contacts.  As a Canadian, I can't access American e-mail listings for legislators. A couple of obvious ones would be Gabby Gifford and Bernie Sanders. Maybe even some celebrities. Is Oprah still hot stuff?
I was surprised a few years ago when I presented the idea to a  (then) Canadian cabinet minister. I got a reply saying that the idea   might well be worth exploring, but only in the American market, and it would be inappropriate and a breach of diplomatic courtesy for a member  of parliament to directly try to create a law in the US. 
And to try it in Canada? He said it would be like sending a stretch limo to transport a gerbil.

So how about it? Can anyone post a couple of e-mail addresses  of concerned Americans that I can contact?

Thanks
-Oomp

Johneeo

From: Johneeo

11/7/17

There are an estimated 300 million guns in private citizens possession currently in the USA.

Q.  Just how are you going to chip all of them?

A.  You are not.  Never.

Your idea is about as dumb as anything I have ever seen here, and that is an incredible compliment, as there has been some really dumb stuff posted here.

Let's hear about some more of your ideas.

Oomp (AstroLib)

From: Oomp (AstroLib)

11/7/17

The 300 million existing guns? Yes they could be retrofitted. Or new guns could be of different calibers: Do away with the 9mm, new guns have 10 or 11mm. Is there such a thing as 10mm ammo? As the old 9mm ammo gets  naturally used up, it will eventually be discontinued, and it will become very difficult to load an "invisible to scanners" chip-free gun. Sure, a hand loader can always "roll his own" but how many freaks or even petty criminals are likely to do that?

>> You are not.  Never.<<
Exactly the sort of dim-witted response I expected from your ilk:
"It's hard.  It's not perfect. Needs development. There are problems. So it  can't be done. Let's not even try."

The Wright brothers wouldn't have wasted a sneer on you. Not worth the bother.

-Oomp

 

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