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Delta Air Lines jacks up health insurance premiums for unvaccinated employees   America - all of it

Started Aug-27 by Raven2018; 7212 views.
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

Sep-11

Raven2018 said:

1. Higher taxes. The rich pay for the health care of the poor. Healthier people pay for those who need regular treatment. People with chronic diseases like the ones suffering from diabetes and heart disease are a colossal burden on the system. The sickest people consume half of the healthcare costs and the healthiest 50%  of the people consume only 3% of the cost.

Can't argue with this.  

Raven2018 said:

2. Longer wait times for physician appointments and procedures, emergency rooms start getting misused and overcrowded.

Medicare for all can work in tandem with private health insurance.  There are plenty of models to look at throughout the world.

Raven2018 said:

3. The policies of the government pretty much dictate money a doctor can make. Both an excellent and a mediocre doctor make nearly the same amount of money. Less competition means less innovation.

No. A schedule fee is set.  Also, this is a GOOD thing.  It ensures the patients are not getting ripped off and gives them a better idea of what a procedure SHOULD cost.  

Raven2018 said:

4. Dental and Vision are generally not covered  (or not fully covered) under Universal Health Care. People still have to buy those.

Here - dental is not (very annoying) but eyes are certainly covered.  I get a yearly eye test for free.  You walk into ANY optometrist and see a doctor.  Yes, they then try to sell you glasses.  But you don't have to buy any and will walk out with your prescription.  That's just one example of the business sector picking up some of the slack - and the cost.

Raven2018 said:

5. People are less careful about their health, as there is no financial impact.

There is absolutely no basis for this claim.  People in the UK or France or Australia are not less healthy than Americans.

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

Sep-11

You skipped the other list...

Pros:

1. The best part, everyone is covered, and no need to buy health insurance anymore. More than 45 million Americans who do not have health insurance today will have it under the Universal Health Care system.

2. A healthier society, the number of people dying due to lack of treatment reduces drastically. For example – The lifespan of Canadians is longer than the of Americans.

3. Cost of treatment goes down because in a private health care system costs are substantially inflated. The government healthcare system is more regulated, and the cost of treatment for various healthcare conditions is pre-defined and fixed. It is overall a more effective model. There are no headaches or stress of dealing with private insurance companies. The same standard of service for everyone at a low cost.

4. Removes the disparity, everyone has the same insurance plan, irrespective of his/her social or financial status.

5. Companies do not have to worry about providing health insurance to their employees and can focus entirely on running their business. Universal healthcare for all also encourages entrepreneurship. This could reduce employer labor costs by about 10%.

6. Health care costs are the number one reason for bankruptcy in America; this problem disappears.

7. Eliminates the administrative costs for doctors as well as they have to deal with only one government agency rather than ten different insurance companies with varying policies and plans.

8. It simplifies the whole system. It leads to higher economic productivity.

9. It promotes good health care for children, and treatments can be done at an initial state before they become chronic. Reduce the spread of infectious diseases.

10. It promotes self-employment and business startups, as people do not have to worry about health insurance.

11. Accounts receivable is a massive problem for doctors and hospitals today. With
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Raven2018

From: Raven2018

Sep-11

It's not a fair case, because (as I said in a prior post) they could have contracted Covid-19 on the way to the airport in a taxi, in an airport restaurant, gift shop, or restroom.

They cannot prove, that they contracted Covid-19 on the plane, from a flight attendant.

They could have contracted the virus from a fully vaccinated passenger, if it did occur on the plane.

MEDDLY

From: MEDDLY

Sep-11

<<<They could have contracted the virus from a fully vaccinated passenger, if it did occur on the plane.>>>

Yes, maybe a fully vaccinated person did infect a non vaccinated individual. Being vaccinated doesn't mean you cannot infect someone else, especially if you are carrying the virus in your clothes, unwashed hands, face, etc.

Raven2018

From: Raven2018

Sep-11

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

You skipped the other list...

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I read it, and posted the link to it.

IMO, the good does not outweigh the bad.

The good, the bad, and the ugly of England's universal

https://theweek.com/articles/789287/good-bad-ugly-englands-universal-healthcare-system

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

Sep-12

Raven2018 said:

It's not a fair case, because (as I said in a prior post) they could have contracted Covid-19 on the way to the airport in a taxi, in an airport restaurant, gift shop, or restroom.

A single case, yes.  But if 40% or more of the people on a single flight test positive - that's a class action suit right there.

Raven2018

From: Raven2018

Sep-12

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

A single case, yes. But if 40% or more of the people on a single flight test positive - that's a class action suit right there.

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Covid-19, of course, is not going to show-up in a test the moment the passengers deplane.

The virus is not detected in the early stages, so you are not going to be able to prove that you contracted it on the plane no matter how many other passengers, also, test positive.

It may be very likely that it was contracted on the plane, but "likely" is not proof.

If it, actually, did happen on the plane there is no way to proves that it was contracted from the non-vaccinated flight attendant; as it could have easily been contracted by the vaccinated flight attendant.

Further, the virus may have been contracted by the viral organisms on a surface of the plane that was left by a passenger on the, prior, flight who sneezed/coughed, fiddled with their face mask, and did not wash/sanitized their hands.

"Unless you ask the person sitting next to you to buckle your seatbelt (which we don’t recommend) you’re going to touch that piece of metal at least twice during a flight, once before takeoff, and once when you land. Unfortunately, these oft-used items aren’t getting the spick and span treatment you’d like. According to Travelmath, the average airplane seatbelt buckle tested for 230 colony-forming units (CFU) per square inch. Yes, cabin cleaners do a wipe down of lavatories after an aircraft’s passengers have deplaned, but think about how many folks use the facilities during the flight and how many hours go by before that cleaning happens. In an interview with TIME, University of Arizona microbiologist Dr. Charles Gerba said, “It’s hard to beat the restroom because the water shuts off so people can’t complete hand washing. The sinks are so small that people with large hands can’t even fit them fully underneath the faucets.” A bathroom is a dangerous place–these are things you should never do in an airplane restroom. "    https://www.rd.com/list/things-airplanes-arent-cleaning-well/

There is no justifiable/provable reason, IMO, to charge a non-vaccinated person more than a vaccinate person for health insurance.

CzoeMC

From: CzoeMC

Sep-13

There is no justifiable/provable reason, IMO, to charge a non-vaccinated person more than a vaccinate person for health insurance. (per Raven, my quote thing isn't working)

What? The health care costs alone to care for a covid patient can be more than that person could earn in their entire life.

It is so sad and traumatic for doctors and nurses to experience the last, gasping breaths of patients who beg their families to get the vaccine "I was wrong". Especially when those same caregivers had been advocating for the vaccine in their communities, and met by hysterical Trumpian based resistance to the point of being threatened.

Not to mention the long term effects, brought to you by the Mayo Clinic:

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  • Loss of smell or taste
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  • Fever
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Although COVID-19 is seen as a disease that primarily affects the lungs, it can damage many other organs as well. This organ damage may increase the risk of long-term health problems. Organs that may be affected by COVID-19 include:

  • Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
  • Lungs. The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems.
  • Brain. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis. COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease.

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CzoeMC

From: CzoeMC

Sep-13

And there is this! Might get the good ol' boys worried...

https://www.webmd.com/lung/covid-erectile-dysfunction#1

* (from the article)

ED as a side effect of COVID-19 can be short- or long-term. But experts are not sure if these complications can lead to issues with fertility.

Tell your doctor right away if you think you have ED, especially after a COVID-19 infection. They’ll ask about your medical history and give you a physical exam. They might also order lab tests or refer you to a urologist. That’s a doctor who specializes in treating problems in the male reproductive tract. They’ll figure out what’s causing your ED and come up with a treatment plan.

Experts recommend getting the COVID-19 vaccine to lower your risk of ED as a side effect.

*So, higher insurance costs for the unvaxed group? Yes. When BobbyRay can't get it up, why should we pay for his dysfunction?

  • Edited September 13, 2021 1:59 am  by  CzoeMC
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CzoeMC

From: CzoeMC

Sep-13

Oh that's going to make the South rise (not) again.

Now we can get angry white men storming the Capital, all enraged because they have limp dicks.

  • Edited September 13, 2021 2:59 am  by  CzoeMC
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