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ElDotardo

From: ElDotardo

5/14/20

A new book may help bring the answer into focus, and it's written from the perspective of a Leftist, although I dare say our hostess here might not agree with his conclusions . . .

 

Does science prove conservative values right over liberal ones?

 
 

The political divide in America is usually articulated in the language of political philosophy, but some important answers to the problems of political philosophy have been answered by science.  We owe a debt of gratitude to Jonathan Haidt for his splendid book The Righteous Mind: Why Good People are Divided by Politics and Religion.

Haidt uses the metaphor of taste buds to explain how the most important human values can be reduced to six flavors or foundations, regardless of history, culture, or socioeconomic status.  Extensive cross-cultural empirical evidence supports his claims.  Our values are like taste buds because they are part of our organism (we have a physical receptor for sweetness), yet our particular circumstances shape how we experience them.  To the dismay of many American tourists, ketchup in Latin America is too sweet.

Here are the six value foundations:

1. Care: This foundation is based on attachment theory and the instinct of mothers to protect their children, but this sentiment can be transferred to strangers as well.  Whereas liberals (supposedly) bestow this on all innocent victims around the world, conservatives bestow this primarily on those who have sacrificed for their group.

2. Fairness: This foundation is based on proportionality and the law of karma, but this sentiment can be transferred to strangers as well.  Whereas liberals equate fairness with rewards and equal outcomes, conservatives equate fairness with proportion, reward, or punishment, even if it guarantees unequal outcomes.

3. Loyalty: This foundation is based on our need to meet the adaptive challenge of forming cohesive coalitions, to include identifying team players and traitors.  Whereas liberals (supposedly) tend toward universalism or globalism, at least in the abstract, conservatives tend toward concrete nationalism.

4. Authority: This foundation is based on the benefits of respecting authority or hierarchical relationships, which includes the burden of responsibility and should not be confused with power.  Whereas liberals often define themselves in opposition to this (unless they are in charge), conservatives tend to embrace it.

5. Sanctity: This foundation is based on a conflict between neophilia (attraction to new things) and neophobia (fear of new things), as it relates to food and sanitation, but extends to people and society.  Whereas liberals sanctify organic food or clean energy, conservatives sanctify religion, guns, and flags.

6. Liberty: This foundation is based on the challenge of avoiding domination in groups and often conflicts with the authority foundation.  Whereas liberals (supposedly) support equality for underdogs, victims, and powerless groups everywhere, conservatives support liberty for their group.

In addition to the evidence-based research on these six value foundations, Haidt's research also reveals how liberals and conservatives view them.  Liberals prioritize care, liberty, and fairness, in that order, but have limited interest in or even disdain for loyalty, authority, and sanctity.  The most sacred value for liberals is care for victims of oppression.  On the other hand, conservatives respect and embrace all six foundations because all six are essential for a meaningful life and a functioning society.  The most sacred value for conservatives is preserving the institutions and traditions that sustain a moral community.

The science of value foundations demonstrates that the conservative position is "corre
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Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

5/15/20

I haven't seen any stories about it.

Can you provide a link to a trusted news site that is not a far right wing conspiracy blog?

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

5/15/20

I think conservative thought has a strong basis in fear.

Fear of the unknown, strangers, neighbours, sexuality, women...

But mostly it is a fear of losing power over others.

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

5/15/20

ElDotardo said:

The real goal was to trap him. Remember, the FBI didn’t need to ask Mr. Flynn what he’d said to the Russian ambassador; they had a recording. The only reason for an interview was to coax Mr. Flynn into saying something at odds with that transcript. They worked hard at it. Then-Director James Comey has previously bragged that the FBI went around the White House legal counsel to make sure Mr. Flynn had no lawyer present.

Of course they entrapped him. It worked, he lied to them and was punished for it. Its what LE does all the time in the US.

You're only upset about it because it exposes the near-certainty that the Russians interfered with the disastrous Trump election.

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

5/15/20

ElDotardo said:

None of these proves Ms. Reade’s accusations, but the accounts do make them harder to ignore. And it highlights the troubling double standard between how sexual assault charges against Brett Kavanaugh were treated and how the same people are now treating assault accusations against Mr. Biden.

So you have a corrupt system that doesn't investigate crimes. Didn't do it for Kavanaugh, isn't going to do it for Biden.

Why don't you fix it instead of waving it as a political weapon?

You now have a Supreme Court Judge who can be blackmailed and you'll soon have a President the same.

Must be what you want.

FBI has not contacted dozens of potential sources in Kavanaugh investigation

With the investigation winding down, multiple individuals who have tried to contact the bureau have not heard back.

Oct. 3, 2018 - WASHINGTON — More than 40 people with potential information into the sexual misconduct allegations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh have not been contacted by the FBI ... not contacted dozens of potential corroborators or character witnesses.

A senior U.S. official and two other sources briefed on the details of the FBI investigation confirmed to NBC news ... that it's unlikely agents will be allowed to interview many, if any, additional witnesses before the probe wraps up this week.

... nearly 20 people with potential information about Dr. Ford's allegation that Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her while the two were in high school, including Ford herself, have not been interviewed by federal investigators ... According to people familiar with the names on the list, none of them have yet been interviewed by the FBI.

Julie Swetnick, who has accused Kavanaugh of being at parties where boys took turns having sex with inebriated girls in high school, has not been interviewed by the FBI https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/dozens-potential-sources-information-have-not-been-contacted-fbi-kavanaugh-n916146

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

5/15/20

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

Can you provide a link to a trusted news site that is not a far right wing conspiracy blog?

No. Never attempts to do anything like that.

ElDotardo

From: ElDotardo

5/15/20

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said...

 

I haven't seen any stories about it.

Can you provide a link to a trusted news site that is not a far right wing conspiracy blog?

 

 

Probably not one that would satisfy you, but if you insist, try these topics:

'Unmasking' the TRUTH ~~~  [2204]

It's COMEY DAY! Get the Popcorn!  contains an attachment [2825]

 

Both contain a variety of sources, but I believe you might find the histories, which the media is laboring hard to bury, quite eye opening. Unless, of course, your mind is clamped shut as tightly as Stephanie's appears to be.

ElDotardo

From: ElDotardo

5/15/20

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said...

 

I think conservative thought has a strong basis in fear.

Fear of the unknown, strangers, neighbours, sexuality, women...

But mostly it is a fear of losing power over others.

 

 

You are free to think what you wish, but in the context of my post, highlighting a liberal's study, you seem to be denying SCIENCE!!! *chuckle*

ElDotardo

From: ElDotardo

5/15/20

BerrySteph said...

Of course they entrapped him. It worked, he lied to them and was punished for it. Its what LE does all the time in the US.

You're only upset about it because it exposes the near-certainty that the Russians interfered with the disastrous Trump election.

 

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ElDotardo

From: ElDotardo

5/15/20

The Michael Flynn Debauchery

The people who administer the American system lost trust in that system and debased our institutions.

Barack Obama is turning into the reverse Oracle of Delphi. He sometimes gets it right for the wrong reasons.

Sensing the populist mood in 2008, he intoned about people “who get bitter, they cling to guns or religion.” Missed in translation was that these “people” thought elites like him were the ones who had separated culturally and politically from mainstream Americans.

Now he says the Justice Department’s decision to drop the case against Mike Flynn because of multiple prosecutorial violations of rules protecting defendants’ rights means “the rule of law is at risk.” Right subject, wrong lecture.

Herewith a tutorial. Back in the 1980s, writers for the Journal’s editorial page coined the phrase “inside the Beltway” to describe the moatlike highway around the nation’s capital, whose inhabitants had become politically and psychologically isolated from the rest of the country.

 

Many Americans then came to believe presidential elections were the one way they could send the Beltway a message. In 2016, we had an Earth-to-Beltway election, whose message was about more than Donald Trump.

Next year or 4½ years from now, Mr. Trump’s presidency will pass into history. Left behind, though, will be a permanent Washington establishment in which many Americans today have no trust. None.

In early 2017, the Flynn case wandered in and out of the news, but it always had a bad odor. What looked like a low-grade mistake by Mr. Flynn got built into a high-stakes prosecution, with special counsel Robert Mueller’s lawyers pressuring him with family and financial ruin unless he took a plea and helped them fry bigger fish in a Beltway-wide project—Donald Trump and Russian collusion.

Last week, after U.S. Attorney Jeffrey Jensen examined the Flynn record at the request of Attorney General William Barr, the Justice Department concluded that the abuse of Mr. Flynn’s rights was so egregious that it dropped the case.

What are Americans supposed to conclude when this event comes in the wake of Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s embarrassing report of how senior officials at the FBI and Justice used foreign intelligence warrants to crush Carter Page, a Trump campaign functionary?

 

Before that, the public dutifully read endless newspaper column inches about the pursuit by James Comey’s FBI of the manifestly preposterous Steele dossier (if this wasn’t a conspiracy theory, the phrase has no meaning), followed by Mr. Mueller’s team of Beltway lawyers ransacking lives to output a thick volume of unproven collusion suspicions, then handing it off to Adam Schiff’s House Intelligence Committee for more iterations of dragnet subpoenas, culminating in the wasted weeks of a Senate impeachment t
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