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Started 7/16/19 by Jenifer (Zarknorph); 39795 views.
BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

9/12/19

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:  Then look at BM's evidence.

He's sent me a pile of links, some of which I've skimmed.

None of them appear to detail lies from Irving. I posted you the only clear evidence I've ever seen (and was shouted at for so doing, almost as if you don't want any evidence).

So Irving's demeanour is very, very different from what can be seen in BMs own postings.

Adwil is less guilty of small lies - but even worse for major lies.

Meanwhile, we've only touched on the serial dishonesty of the Holocaust Industry.

Top scholar of the Holocaust Deborah Lipstadt (or possibly just her publisher?) and scourge of David Irving lies about the Holocaust on the cover of her book "Denying the Holocaust: The Growing Assault on Truth and Memory".

She states that Deniers are:

"those who insist that the death of six million Jews in Nazi concentration camps is nothing but a hoax perpetrated by a powerful Zionist conspiracy"

A statement that's patently untrue - six million is not the number of deaths in the camps. She seems to have about doubled the real figure:

Total death in camps is at least 2,848,000. Auschwitz complex 1 million, Treblinka 2 925,000, Belzec: 434,508, Sobibor: at least 167,000, Chelmno: 156,000–172,000, other facilities that the Germans designated as concentration camps: at least 150,000. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/documenting-numbers-of-victims-of-the-holocaust-and-nazi-persecution

Its not a very important falsehood - but why be so sloppy about a number that others are jailed for disputing?

I'd also question whether any Deniers claim that a "Zionist conspiracy" is to blame - most of the antisemitic are supportive of Israel, not critics of it!

More dishonesty from the woman who claims to have brought down and bankrupted the most successful author (non-qualified "historian") on WW2 but had nothing to do with it:

... The most "insidious" forms of Holocaust denial, Lipstadt suggests, are "immoral equivalencies": that is, denying the uniqueness of The Holocaust.[57 Lipstadt, "Denying the Holocaust: the growing assault on truth and memory" chapter 11.]

This argument has intriguing implications.

... To question a survivor's testimony, to denounce the role of Jewish collaborators, to suggest that Germans suffered during the bombing of Dresden or that any state except Germany committed crimes in World War II - this is all evidence, according to Lipstadt, of Holocaust denial.[55 Lipstadt "Denying the Holocaust" p.6, 12, 22, 89-90.] cited in https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=VrqK5VdO2i0C&pg=PA70

And yet, this top Holocaust scholar Deborah Lipstadt (Dorot Professor of Modern Jewish and Holocaust Studies at Emory University, appointed by President Clinton in 1994 to the United States Holocaust Memorial Council) apparently does it herself:

... [Deborah Lipstadt] wryly observes that Holocaust survivors frequently maintain they were personally examined by Josef Mengele at Auschwitz.[3 Elena Lappin, "Man With Two Heads" p.48.  D.D. Guttenplan, "The Holocaust on Trial," in Atlantic Monthly February 2000 <ed - article no longer on line> p.62] cited in https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=VrqK5VdO2i0C&pg=PA70

I wouldn't be in your shoes if you doubted a Holocaust survivor in this fashion!

bml00

From: bml00

9/12/19

You are looking at a denier an historical revisionist trying to defend David Irving , he is laying blame anywhere , ZIONISTS Powerful Jews anybody to shift the focus

The conviction of Irving stands he was guilty as charged NOTHING will change that let alone a very childlike Jew hater like the poster

BM

RGoss99

From: RGoss99

9/12/19

G=G+1 note that the majority of posts labeled "G" I never see, e.g. they are purged by my secretary, who vets all of my electronic mail. However, as no protocol lovers all possibilities, she does mark them as "G" but passes them on to me because I might be interested.

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

9/12/19

bml00 said:

The conviction of Irving stands he was guilty as charged

You're an idiot - Irving wasn't convicted of anything (until later).

He was libelled (maybe with some justification) but his writing career and income was first destroyed. 

Destroyed with a lot of money and lies. And a very biased judge - as I think I proved in great detail a short while ago.

And a very biased press, 19 alleged errors became 30 in the Guardian.

Needless to say, I can't find even the 19 alleged errors - and some of them are clearly fraudulent allegations, Irving is right and the Zionists are nastily wrong.

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

9/23/19

Di (amina046)

From: Di (amina046)

9/24/19

adwil

From: adwil

9/24/19

BerrySteph said:

"those who insist that the death of six million Jews in Nazi concentration camps is nothing but a hoax perpetrated by a powerful Zionist conspiracy"

What page is that quote on in the book?  I've seen the statement as part of a publisher's advert, but not in inverted commas. That suggests this isn't a quote from the book, UNLESS you can prove otherwise. 

adwil

From: adwil

9/24/19

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

Thomas Cook, the world's oldest travel firm, collapses stranding hundreds of thousands of holidaymakers around the globe and sparking the largest peacetime repatriation effort in British history.

It's a bit bigger than the Monarch Airlines business a few years back. I have friends in Turkey who are being repatriated. It seems very well organised.

There will be an investigation into Thomas Cook's problems. The finger is being pointed at the owners who allegedly took £85 million from the business during the last few years.

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

9/27/19

But I liked Boaty McBoatface!


adwil

From: adwil

9/27/19

"a more dignified title than the public's choice of Boaty McBoatface."

I liked that name too, but in Britain, the public are usually ignored by our 'masters' in government.

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