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adwil

From: adwil

Apr-24

BerrySteph said:

38 days he did nothing, missing 5 COBRA meetings (wherein hugely important decisions urgently needed taking and weren't) and he spent 2 weeks in the country with his pregnant girl-friend.

You obviously read and believe the Guardian.

1. Cobra meetings are not chaired just by the PM. It's often the Minister responsible. 

2. Until it was known that coronavirus was a threat to us, there was no need for Johnson to attend meetings.

The rest of your post is nonsense too.

3. As soon as the risk was upgraded from 'low' to'moderate', Johnson chaired COBRA meetings.

Nothing wrong with that at all.

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Apr-24

adwil said:

1. Cobra meetings are not chaired just by the PM. It's often the Minister responsible.  

Cobra has sometimes been chaired by a Minister (eg Foot and Mouth Disease, flooding) and that's fine when there are no really big decisions to be taken.

But in this case, the decisions to be taken were hugely momentous - more so than any decision taken by Churchill. 

And for 38 days, 5 weeks, there was nobody at the helm.

adwil said: The rest of your post is nonsense too. 

Stop wasting our time - tell us about these "Moderate Zionists" who don't believe its right to target and kill children and medics and journalists and the disabled.

adwil

From: adwil

Apr-24

BerrySteph said:

"But in this case, the decisions to be taken were hugely momentous "

Only with hindsight. There was no need for the PM to attend meetings  when the risk was 'low'. It would have been a waste of his time and , of course, Hancock kept him informed. You need to remember that previous coronavirus emergencies hadn't affected the UK.

Once the dangers of Covid-19 became more evident and our scientists and medics upped the risk as 'moderate' Johnson attended all the meetings.

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Apr-25

adwil said:

There was no need for the PM to attend meetings  when the risk was 'low'. It would have been a waste of his time and , of course, Hancock kept him informed. You need to remember that previous coronavirus emergencies hadn't affected the UK.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51299195
PRESS ASSOCIATION Image captionThe new coronavirus has spread across China and to at least 16 countries globally

The risk was not "low".

The WHO semaphored wildly that it wanted to declare the virus very serious indeed but was muzzled because it had then and has now no independence. 

And my government was nearly as bad at ignoring the WHO as was the US - which explains why, though it seems to have wanted to declare a pandemic immediately, it waited 6 weeks.

Coronavirus: Whole world 'must take action', warns WHO

29th Jan 2020 - Dr Mike Ryan praised China's response to the deadly outbreak, saying: "The challenge is great but the response has been massive."

... WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, who visited China this week, said most people who contracted the virus were suffering only "milder symptoms", but about 20% had severe effects such as pneumonia and respiratory failure.

He said that China "needs the world's solidarity and support," and that "the world is pulling together to end the outbreak, building on lessons learned from past outbreaks."

The director-general added that the WHO "deeply regrets" referring to the worldwide risk from the virus as "moderate" in three reports last week instead of "high". - (Berry says - my emphasis)

He described the person-to-person spread of the illness in Germany, Vietnam and Japan as worrying, and said experts would consider it on Thursday when deciding whether to declare a global emergency.

adwil

From: adwil

Apr-25

The risk was not "low".

Oh yes it was in the UK.

The risk was declared  to be low until it was raised to moderate on Feb 28th.

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Apr-25

adwil said:

The risk was declared  to be low until it was raised to moderate on Feb 28th.

The risk was always very high. WHO was desperate to declare it that way at the end of January - but couldn't do it until Trump (mostly) agreed to it.

Your bumbling idiocy would tend to make me wonder whether there was malice behind this crisis.

But I'm not taken in. This outbreak, severe though it is, isn't very likely to have any great geo-political influence.

Could even backfire in your face - less travel will make Israel's situation more perilous and public health will make our determination to have biological WMD harder to justify.

adwil

From: adwil

Apr-25

BerrySteph said:

The risk was always very high.

Only in hindsight. At the time we did not know how infectious it was or how quickly it could spread. 

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Apr-25

adwil said:

Only in hindsight. At the time we did not know how infectious it was or how quickly it could spread. 

Nothing changed when we did discover how infectious it was and how quickly it spread.

BoJo was totally detached and took a fortnight off in the country with his pregnant girl-friend. The number of children he has is a state secret.

adwil

From: adwil

Apr-26

BerrySteph said:

Nothing changed when we did discover how infectious it was and how quickly it spread.

Actually it did. You seem to be totally unaware of what was happening. Have a look at the following which includes everything said/published/done by HMG and her advisers from 22nd January 2020.

https://www.gov.uk/search/all?topical_events%5B%5D=coronavirus-covid-19-uk-government-response&order=updated-newest

Human to human transmission was only confirmed at the end of January. That's when WHO declared a 'Public Health Emergency'.

As late as 9th Feb, from the first large scale clinical study, that the virus spreads extremely quickly BUT "case fatality rate significantly below SARS/MERS."

 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.06.20020974v1

As late as 19th Feb, "The disease, officially named COVID-19, is thought to be more easily spread than its predecessor SARS, but possesses a lower mortality rate."

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/how-does-coronavirus-compare-with-previous-global

On March 11th, "Deeply concerned both by the alarming levels of spread and severity, and by the alarming levels of inaction, WHO made the assessment that COVID-19 can be characterized as a pandemic."

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/08-04-2020-who-timeline---covid-19

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Apr-26

adwil said:

Have a look at the following which includes everything said/published/done by HMG and her advisers from 22nd January 2020. https://www.gov.uk/search/all?topical_events%5B%5D=coronavirus-covid-19-uk-government-response&order=updated-newest

I don't need self-serving propaganda from the people who allowed Boris Johnson to very nearly be killed by this virus.

I put it to you that the WHO needs powers to deal with this threat - and its the US (on behalf of Israel) which is going to stop that happening.

For reasons which are transparently obvious - preparations for Holocaust II must take precedence over everything.

"Eternal Conflict" remember is that not what you sold your soul to, the same as BM?

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