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Impeach, or get off the pot!   America - all of it

Started 9/23/19 by Jenifer (Zarknorph); 26773 views.
jra2750

From: jra2750

Dec-23

No question that U  R much more into international issues than I M.  I'm curious about # 7:  Churchill was followed by a drunk???  Who was that?  By the way I never have been a fan of Winnie.  

jra2750

From: jra2750

Dec-23

Anthony Eden (#7)...he botched up Suez I believe.

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Dec-24

jra2750 said:

No question that U  R much more into international issues than I M.  I'm curious about # 7:  Churchill was followed by a drunk???  Who was that?  By the way I never have been a fan of Winnie.  

Read it again:

7) once Chamberlain had been somehow persuaded to declare war, he was replaced by a notorious drunk, never done anything notable in his life (except propagandise), shunned out of government and any authority for 10 years but determined to be a great war leader and accept nothing less than Germany's total defeat.

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Dec-24

jra2750 said:

Anthony Eden (#7)...he botched up Suez I believe.

Suez was a huge scandal because it was it was a gang attack alongside notorious thieving racist criminals and was a cover for further ethnic cleansing.

... two senior Egyptian military intelligence officials linked to fedayeen operations were killed by mail bombs sent by Israeli intelligence.[1] Israeli mines and other measures resulted in the death of between 2,700 and 5,000 infiltrators, mostly unarmed, before the attack on Suez and Gaza in 1956.[51] 

Israelis are divided on the actual number of deaths caused by the "fedayeen", Martin Gilbert claiming that 967 Israelis between 1951 and 1955.[52] 

Benny Morris says that this number is "3-5 times higher than the figures given in contemporary Israeli reports".[53] Dozens of these attacks are claimed by the Israeli government.[54][55] 

Israel was condemned by the UNSC for 17 raids into and 31 attacks on Arab towns.[56] United Nations reports indicate that Israel launched more than 17 raids on Egyptian territory and 31 attacks on Arab towns or military forces before 1956.[57] 

Another Israeli historian, Avi Shlaim claims that all Arab governments attempted to curb infiltration until 1954, when Egypt broke ranks.[58] Israeli sources cite the attacks as the reason for the 1956 attack on Suez, they certainly rose considerably in 1955, 260 killed or wounded according to the ADL.[59] Chomsky says there were no Israeli casualties when Israeli entered Khan Yunis[60] killing 275 Palestinians, and a further 111 in the Rafah refugee camp.[61] 

General Mustafa Hafez of Egypt is said to have founded Palestinian fedayeen units "to launch terrorist raids across Israel's southern border."[62] Ian Lustick writes that among the "engineered eve-of-war lies and deceptions ... designed to give Israel the excuse needed to launch its strike [on Egypt]" was the presentation to journalists of a group of captured fedayeen, who were in fact Israeli soldiers.[63] https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Israeli_targeted_killings

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

Dec-31

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Jan-18

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Jan-18

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

US President Donald Trump assembles a high-profile legal team to defend himself in the Senate, including a key figure in the impeachment proceedings against Bill Clinton.

I was vaguely aware that the impeachment of Clinton was corrupt.

I had no idea that the US was going to go so badly off the rails as we see now.

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

Jan-21

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Jan-21

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

President Donald Trump's legal team asserts he did absolutely nothing wrong, calling the impeachment case against him flimsy and a dangerous perversion of the constitution.

His personal lawyer, Rudy Guiliani, is taking a slightly different tack, arguing that the Supreme Court ought to get involved to provide a check on the legislative branch’s power - because the articles of impeachment don’t charge Trump with any federal crimes.

“The general theory is of course that impeachment is in the hands of the House, with unlimited power. Wrong,” Giuliani told host Jeanine Pirro on Fox News.

“What are the limits of impeachment. It’s written right in Article II Section 4. It has to be treason, bribery, high crimes, misdemeanor.

“Abuse of power, and the other ridiculous obstruction of Congress — you can’t find it anywhere in 18 USC, you can’t find it under common law, you can’t find it in Lithuanian law,” he continued. “It doesn’t exist as crimes. So they have rendered the Constitution of the United States, and its words, meaningless.”

... the House, which the Constitution gives “the sole power of impeachment,” has interpreted [high crimes and misdemeanours] in a number of ways.

Bill Clinton, for instance, was impeached for the high crimes and misdemeanors of perjury and obstruction of justice.

Richard Nixon resigned before a vote on impeachment could be held, but the House Judiciary Committee overseeing his impeachment process approved articles that included both abuse of power and contempt of Congress. The full House was expected to impeach him.

Most recently, the 116th House impeached Trump for abuse of power and obstructing Congress — and explained why it felt each was an impeachable offense.

Abuse of power, for instance, House Democrats defined as “engaging in forbidden acts, or by engaging in potentially permissible acts but for forbidden reasons (e.g., with the corrupt motive of obtaining a personal political benefit).”

Trump did just this, according to the first article of impeachment, which argues Trump “persisted in openly and corruptly urging and soliciting Ukraine to undertake investigations for his personal political benefit.”

As far as obstructing Congress is concerned, House Democrats found Trump “directed the unprecedented, categorical, and indiscriminate defiance of subpoenas issued by the House of Representatives pursuant to its ‘sole Power of Impeachment.’”

As Giuliani noted, these offenses aren’t covered by federal criminal law ... claimed that seeing impeachment as a political, not criminal, process — despite it being how the framers saw the issue — is problematic and in need of correction.

“The remedy,” Giuliani told Pirro, “is to go before the Supreme Court of the United States and have it declared unconstitutional.” Such a ruling, the lawyer claimed, would have the added benefit of making the House’s vote to impeach the president “null and void.” https://www.vox.com/2020/1/13/21063457/trump-impeachment-giuliani-unconstitutional-should-not-even-be-allowed-to-proceed

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

Jan-23

In the end, Trump is essentially being reviewed over his job performance to determine whether or not he's getting fired.

You don't have to commit a crime to get fired from your job - you just have to suck at it.

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