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Challenger 3   General Army topics

Started 7/4/19 by autogun; 2793 views.
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autogun

From: autogun

13-Mar

Seen on the front page of the Daily Telegraph today (13/03/21), in an article about extra funding for UK defence spending:

"More than 100 ageing Challenger 2 tanks will receive new turrets, guns, sensors and engines......"

Which leaves what, exactly - a steel tub?

larrikin2

From: larrikin2

13-Mar

Please, Chobham tub, it's a lot more sophisticated than mere steel /tilts nose to sky

Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

13-Mar

In the States, the line is, "It's cheaper than buying new, Senator".

taschoene

From: taschoene

13-Mar

Well, that does leave the transmission and running gear, the driver's station, and the all-important boiling vessel.

RovingPedant

From: RovingPedant

13-Mar

Steel tub, some modular armour, running gear, transmission, fuel and cooling systems, stowage fixtures and fittings (although that might need updating along with the engine) and I should imagine that the Bowman radio fit will remain, at least until the next radio system (Morpheus?).

The turret shown to date looks like it reuses a number of systems as well.

On top of that it’s a known environment.

Red7272

From: Red7272

14-Mar

Farmplinker said:

In the States, the line is, "It's cheaper than buying new, Senator".

I read that as "it's cheaper than buying a new senator" which is also the case in US politcics.

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

14-Mar

It works both ways TBH.

poliorcetes

From: poliorcetes

14-Mar

finally a rheinmetall 120/L55 smoothbore gun?

graylion

From: graylion

15-Mar

A few years before everybody else moves to 130mm. Clever.

Guardsman26

From: Guardsman26

15-Mar

Spending £1.2 billion (Source: NAO major Projects Report 2020) to upgrade 150 Challenger 2 MBTs that will remain in service for 15 years doesn't seem to be the best use of limited resources at a time when the Army's Equipment Plan budget has never been under greater seems crazy. 

They have delayed the upgrade so long now that the list of changes that need to be made are extensive. Mounting a new turret on a tank is the same as bringing a new one into service. As Leopard 2, Abrams, Warrior CSP and Ajax all show, it takes a decade to introduce a new tank. So, assuming the Challenger 2 LEP gets go ahead  this year, we should see the first ones arrive in around 2031. 

They now want to condense the acquisition process by combining demonstration and manufacturing phases. This is the same mistake we made with Ajax.  

(Tony, tried to send you an email but your mail box is full. I don't know whether you're getting notifications)

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