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NGSW Phase 2 Consolidation and info Small Arms <20mm
From: gatnerd
28/8/21
It's that little button (light blue above) next to images, which is for embed links.
You get the embed link from twitter, them copy it into that thing. First time I've ever used it but it works well.
From: poliorcetes
30/8/21
IF NGSW ends with an adoption, Textron rifle and MG will be the chosen option. SiG is out of the competition, and GD has the bullpup problem
I would assume that after so many years, CT is fully mature and it was just a matter of ergonomy improvement for the rifle part of the bidding
From: gatnerd
30/8/21
poliorcetes said:IF NGSW ends with an adoption, Textron rifle and MG will be the chosen option. SiG is out of the competition, and GD has the bullpup problem
Absolutely. This was always Textrons contract to lose...
There was some small chance of that when their initial rifle debuted:
But with their much more refined current rifle, and their always superb LMG...short of there being something catastrophic with CT ammo itself (like being 6 MOA or prone to explosion) I think its a lock for textron.
And good for them really, they've absolutely put the most effort into the program of anyone. Not to mention AAI's work dating back to SPIW and ACR.
- Edited 30 August 2021 22:27 by gatnerd
From: gatnerd
30/8/21
In terms of Armor penetration, I came across some data in regards to exposed tip tungsten AP, which may be what we see used for the ADVAP projectile.
This projectile was originally developed by Silver State Armory, and now is taken over by a spin off company of SSA after they were purchased by Nosler.
Its described as 'saboted' but really its just a HVAP style round where most of the projectile is tungsten, with a little brass skirt at the base for engaging the rifling. The design goal per defense review was that they outperform M993/M995.
https://modernarmsinternational.com/shop/143gr-ap/
This is interesting in a couple regards:
-It shows that going to exposed tip tungsten does offer better performance then M993
-It shows that defeating Level IV is much more difficult then defeating 1/2" of AR500 steel; can pierce 0.5" steel at 2x the range of Level IV.
-It shows even .338 Lapua exposed tip tungsten would not have met the original 600m AP goal of the NGSW:
