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NGSW Phase 2 Consolidation and info   Small Arms <20mm

Started 30/8/19 by gatnerd; 519847 views.
BruhMomento

From: BruhMomento

4-Jul

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQnaTrLROCE

RAROG's plastic machine gun belts. useful for the future?

stancrist

From: stancrist

4-Jul

Ukraine's Plastic Machine Gun Belts -The Firearm Blog

Looks very useful for 7.62x54R, but it is a different link design than used with 7.62x51 and 6.8x51.

RovingPedant

From: RovingPedant

4-Jul

Pull-out rather than push-through does make more sense for plastic link. I’ve seen plastic M13 link but apparently it’s not as robust as the metal. Not really a surprise.

stancrist

From: stancrist

18-Jul

The US Army's new Belt fed Machine gun. The M250 is replacing the M249

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gatnerd

From: gatnerd

27-Jul

If your M14 flashbacks werent already in effect, I present: SIG working to develop a stamped steel magazine for the NGSW.

https://soldiersystems.net/2022/07/25/sig-sauer-develops-in-house-magazine-production-capability/

In the comments, Eric of SSD mentions that the 6.8 projectiles are being harsh on the Lancer mags, which may be a reason for this. Although how they would be worse than M855A1, or how relatively soft steel would be much better against Hardened steel / Tunsgten, is an open question.

A loaded M14 mag was 1.5-1.62lbs depending on source...

stancrist

From: stancrist

27-Jul

gatnerd said:

In the comments, Eric of SSD mentions that the 6.8 projectiles are being harsh on the Lancer mags, which may be a reason for this. Although how they would be worse than M855A1, or how relatively soft steel would be much better against Hardened steel / Tunsgten, is an open question.

Other possible reasons for SIG developing in-house magazine production:

- Eliminate reliance on Lancer.

- Increase SIG profits.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

28-Jul

Oh, those are absolute factors to bring manufacturing in-house, and are totally legit.

But, whats very odd here is the choice of steel for the in-house 6.8 mags.

-Polymer mags are much easier to mass manufacture and are cheaper to produce compared to steel mags (so higher profit margin for SIG)

-Polymer is much lighter and is what most modern rifle mags are made of

-Magpul Gen 3 mags have already shown a 100% polymer mag works well with EPR when designed for it

EmericD

From: EmericD

28-Jul

Maybe things doesn't scale up / down so easily.

Maybe a polymer mag that is OK with a 12 g cartridge and an impulse of 6 N.s, will struggle to maintain the same level of performance with a round nearly twice as heavy and the increased impulse & recoil velocity?

The M80A1 is mainly used in guns that don't have polymer mags.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

28-Jul

EmericD said:

The M80A1 is mainly used in guns that don't have polymer mags

The Armys new squad DMR CSASS uses a polymer mag; I havent heard that it will use special match ammo so I assume it would use M80A1?

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