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NGSW Phase 2 Consolidation and info   Small Arms <20mm

Started 30/8/19 by gatnerd; 575363 views.
VPMudde

From: VPMudde

7-Nov

From page 14 of this:

https://ndiastorage.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/ndia/2022/future/Tues_Grassano.pdf

Edit: doesnt wanna include the snip. But have a look at p14. Nothing unexpected, but nice to see i suppose.

  • Edited 07 November 2022 13:47  by  VPMudde
stancrist

From: stancrist

7-Nov

I see the Marines are still interested in NGSW.  Infantry Modernization

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

7-Nov

VPMudde said:

From page 14 of this:

Great find. Alas the 'SP' Special Purpose projectile is blacked out. GP EPR looks to have a pretty long steel penetrator though. 

However the 7.62 ADVAP concept is shown, which looks like an exposed tip AP or EPR, presumably tunsgten.

stancrist

From: stancrist

7-Nov

gatnerd said:

Alas the 'SP' Special Purpose projectile is blacked out. GP EPR looks to have a pretty long steel penetrator though.

Thanks for that image.  Looks like 6.8x51 has conventional pyrotechnic tracers.  No OWL Tracers.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

7-Nov

stancrist said:

No OWL Tracers

Yeah thats a bummer; my dream of 100% tracers for improved hit probability is dashed. 

stancrist

From: stancrist

8-Nov

Don't give up hope yet.  They can change in the future, if/when OWL gets ready for adoption.

Interestingly there appear to be two RRA types:  Solid copper; and copper w/steel penetrator.

nincomp

From: nincomp

8-Nov

stancrist said:

No OWL Tracers.

There is a chart that shows production of 5.56 OWL tracers beginning in Q3 of 2023 and 7.62 OWL tracers in Q3 of 2024.  The table also show production of 7.62 Lightweight Small Caliber Ammunition to begin at the end of 2023 as well.

Page 8   https://ndiastorage.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/ndia/2022/future/Tues_GM_PMMAS_Santamaria.pdf

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

8-Nov

Great find. OWL and a lot of interesting projects in that slide. 

Glad OWL is still happening. 

EmericD

From: EmericD

8-Nov

gatnerd said:

However the 7.62 ADVAP concept is shown, which looks like an exposed tip AP or EPR, presumably tunsgten.

As a sidenote, the ADVAP is now type classified as the M1158, without the "X".

https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2021/army/2021m1158.pdf?ver=eELHYislFsIQyeJEJr8FIw%3d%3d

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

8-Nov

Good to know. M1158 opens up some better searches.

https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2020/army/2020m1158.pdf?ver=vVYoBptHuXzBFwU27CoHAQ%3D%3D

https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2021/army/2021m1158.pdf?ver=eELHYislFsIQyeJEJr8FIw%3D%3D

Alas exact performance remains a mystery. 

Have you / France / NATO gotten to play with any? Or is it so far strictly US?

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