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NGSW evaluation update   Small Arms <20mm

Started 31/7/20 by autogun; 16325 views.
stancrist

From: stancrist

3/8/20

Red7272 said:

For a mechanised squad...

Yes.  Wasn't that what you were discussing?  You did mention BMP and BTR squads.

Red7272 said:

...they ain't going to be wandering about mountainsides with that loadout.

Why not?  It's basically the same carbine that Danish dismounted infantry used in Afghanistan.

And the machine gun is actually a few pounds lighter than the one they used in that country.

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Red7272 said:

And i'm pretty sure everybody thinks a belt fed gun really needs an assistant gunner.

Who is this "everybody" you're talking about?  It doesn't seem to include a number of the world's armies.  (See post #35.)

Red7272

From: Red7272

3/8/20

stancrist said:

And the machine gun is actually a few pounds lighter than the one they used in that country.

Different squad organisation. 

stancrist

From: stancrist

3/8/20

Does that somehow prevent Danish infantry being able to carry 5.56mm carbines and 7.62mm machine guns in mountainous terrain?

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Red7272

From: Red7272

3/8/20

stancrist said:

Does that somehow prevent Danish infantry being able to carry 5.56mm carbines and 7.62mm machine guns in mountainous terrain?

Yes, Stan, it completely stops them from wandering around the hills of their base and 50 metres from their transports.

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

3/8/20

It's called trying to make it work.

If we're Stuck with these lemons, GD's setup is the best but that doesn't mean we have to like it.

QuintusO

From: QuintusO

3/8/20

It's been amusing seeing everyone try to get on my case for pointing out that GDOTS is the only submission that appears to offer a pathway to an actual weight reduction, as if I'm somehow irrationally biased towards the bullpup entry.

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

3/8/20

Maybe we steal a trick from jiri cermak's URZ concept and make the GD heavy version use the internal belt feed style drum with updated polymer links... Then it can be a bastard proto belt fed

QuintusO

From: QuintusO

3/8/20

Oh god please no.

Red7272

From: Red7272

3/8/20

roguetechie said:

Maybe we steal a trick from jiri cermak's URZ concept and make the GD heavy version use the internal belt feed style drum with updated polymer links... Then it can be a bastard proto belt fed

Excellent idea. Though to be fair i just looked up the patent and I still don't understand how it's supposed to work. 

stancrist

From: stancrist

3/8/20

roguetechie said:

It's called trying to make it work.

LOL.  No.  It's called:  Nat dislikes belt-fed squad autos, so he builds in a weight bias for his comparison by reducing the mag-fed ammo load by 33%, but keeps the belt-fed ammo loads at 100%.

roguetechie said:

If we're Stuck with these lemons, GD's setup is the best...

Strongly disagree.  The GD's 20-rd ammo capacity is laughably small.  Imagine trying to lay down suppressive fire.

Plus, the belt-fed weapons could be used in lieu of the platoon's M240 machine guns.  GD's mag-fed AR could not.

  • Edited 03 August 2020 20:49  by  stancrist
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