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LMAO Germany adopts an AR-15   Small Arms <20mm

Started 14/9/20 by QuintusO; 34739 views.
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Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

27-Apr

There are a couple of G36 upgrade options out there , and HK could count on further business upgrading other client's G36 in the future. Kinda wonder what happened to XM-8 tooling and IP as it doesn't seem it will ever show in production in any iteration. 

The proposed WILCOX FUSION System for the Steyr G36 Upgrade programme is a lightweight integrated modular forend, powered by a single CR123 battery, forming one holistic solution incorporating a Reflex Sight, Red Visible Laser, IR Laser, Fixed IR Illuminator and a SureFire dual spectrum head giving both white and infrared light. The system is designed to integrate into commonly used weapon accessories and the all-in-one modular system can be adjusted on the fly and controlled ambidextrously by the shooter. There is one single precision adjuster for each plane (windage and elevation) and a Trajectory Switch adjusts POA/POI for two pre-set firing solutions. A dual battery management system features primary and reserve supply. A x3 magnifier kit is available as an option.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

27-Apr

When it comes to height over bore nothing exceeds current G36 with a Red dot on top of the rail.

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

27-Apr

The xm8 was kinda a warmed over but ultimately flawed G36 to begin with, I'm curious which part of it's IP you think should be resurrected though?

Im curious if you see something that I may have missed.

Edit to add: I'm also really not a fan of the Wilcox "fix" for the g36.

I think that the Germans would be better served going basically any direction but that one.

It's also the worst possible outcome for their own defense industrial base too and regardless of anything else that's an important consideration

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

27-Apr

Nothing that could be retrofitted. G36 is not a bad gun, XM-8 was for all intents and purposes improved, 

But to fix the rail height issue I would make the charging handle manually selected to stay either right or left side and drop the whole rail on top of with minimal gap ,add the  HK433 like forend and slightly shorter fatter Barrel and be done with it.

Euro gun optics approach was typically to make integrated sights specific to a gun (AUG,FN2000,G36etc..) ,but considering how long guns stay in service in European militaries that is not really practical anymore as optics are now improving much faster than the other elements.

HK already has a band-aid fix for the heat issue as well as the rail-mounted optics, rail system that also functions as a heat sink,the aluminum forend and top rail equipped rifle on one of my picts.

As seen in patent  DE102015013803 (A1) ? 2017-04-27

JPeelen

From: JPeelen

27-Apr

As Emeric showed a long time ago on this forum, the rail height is actually a non issue. Its impact on hit probability, considering realistic cant effects,  is of no significance.   

  • Edited 27 April 2021 16:13  by  JPeelen
roguetechie

From: roguetechie

27-Apr

I mean... I'm sure that emerics data was convincing...

To people who haven't shot rifles much.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

27-Apr

I haven't seen much info on that concerning the assault rifles , but in sniper rifles where i am more at home we have seen some spectacular rifles that turned out less forgiving to shot well at distances purely because of the rail height. Remington MSR comes to mind

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

27-Apr

Mr. T (MrT4) said:

But to fix the rail height issue I would make the charging handle manually selected to stay either right or left side and drop the whole rail on top of with minimal gap ,add the  HK433 like forend and slightly shorter fatter Barrel and be done with it.

I had similar thoughts. Drop the rail as low as possible and just use a selectable left or right handed folding charging handle, and tweak the stock so that it corresponds to the lower rail height. Then use a 14.5-16" barrel, MLOK handguard, and whatever heat resistance upgrades are necessary.

Terrible sketch of lowered rail.

stancrist

From: stancrist

28-Apr

I sure wouldn't sacrifice the ambidextrous charging handle just to reduce rail height by half an inch.

Plus, I don't see all the concern over sight height above bore.  Has it been a problem in battle for troops armed with the G36?

Except for necessitating a slightly larger peephole when shooting from cover, was it ever of consequence in infantry combat?

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