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LMAO Germany adopts an AR-15   Small Arms <20mm

Started 14/9/20 by QuintusO; 49415 views.
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gatnerd

From: gatnerd

2-Dec

Good overview of the Elcan:

Elcan SpecterDR 1-4x Review: The Best Combat Optic? (HD)

I do some shooting with the Elcan SpecterDR mounted up on a couple rifles, go over the features of the optic, and what I think of it overall.Elcan SpecterDR:...

And 

Elcan Specter DR 1-4 Optic

Aaron reviews the Elcan Specter DR from Kenzies Optics.

https://www.raytheon.com/sites/default/files/2019-05/RifleSightCatalogue.Webview.pdf

https://armament.com/content/SpecterDR1x-4x-WEB.pdf

Its main benefits over the ACOG is that its 1x + 4x in one, can work with night vision, and being LED powered, the user can set the brightness to the ideal level (ACOG is often either too bright or night bright enough.) Also being non-ITAR and non-tritium likely important for the EU. 

Compared to a LPVO its general benefit is being more compact, lighter than a LPVO+Mount, faster magnification changes, and better battery life (~600-3000hrs vs ~100-150hrs for LPVO like Razor and Tango). I suspect its also more rugged than most LPVO's. 

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gatnerd

From: gatnerd

2-Dec

Since were talking optics, as of this moment 2021, Japan of all places is currently at the forefront of military issue optics, fielding the ultra compact 1-8 March F scope by DEON as their standard issue for the Howa Type 20. 

https://marchscopes.com/scopes/d8sv24fiml/

poliorcetes

From: poliorcetes

2-Dec

Opportunity cost. We are talking about a really nice amount of money applied both to rifles which are going to see combat and to rifles which doesn't.

Actually, since Von der Linen is out of Defense Ministry office, substitution process should be called off. Maybe 10.000 rifles should receive a retrofit kit such as steyr-wilcox one and that's all.

If they want to adquire just one fleet of sights, it's an option. But 100k is just absurd IMHO

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

2-Dec

Damn Japan!

Ive heard nothing but great things about the march optics.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

2-Dec

Indeed they are excellent , i would take that 1-8x March for a DMR , but for a general purpose rifle elcan offers much wider view and better reticle for the intended use and lack of in field adjustable turrets is a plus for a combat rifle .

Jap army i hope ordered a custom reticle with BDC , closest commercial offering that would be usable is ,they realy need some better reticle for their 1-8x and 1-10x optics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo2M1juq86k&t=2s

I am waiting for FFP version of their insanely good 1.5-15x

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

2-Dec

From the look of the latest JSSAP dtic presentation it appears that we may be about to see some interesting new ground broken in very non traditional optics shortly....

They're looking at 3d printed "optoelectronic devices" 

Which should be incredibly interesting

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

3-Dec

roguetechie said:

Damn Japan!

Yeah Japan is big pimpin these days, this whole setup looks dope af. As a lover of Japanese manufactured pocket knives and lighters, I'd really like to get my hands on one of these and see how it stacks up to the SCAR 16 in terms of quality and shootability.

More broadly, we're seeing the broader ramifications of the Xi-ification of China and the SCS region. Namely, Japan has woken from its peaceful slumber and is now remilitarizing across the board. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/10/05/its-official-after-a-75-year-gap-the-japanese-navy-has-an-aircraft-carrier/

https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia-pacific/2021/10/14/japan-launches-second-taigei-class-submarine-hakugei/

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Japan-starts-to-extend-range-of-its-missiles-to-over-1-000-km

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

3-Dec

Mr. T (MrT4) said:

Indeed they are excellent , i would take that 1-8x March for a DMR , but for a general purpose rifle elcan offers much wider view and better reticle for the intended use and lack of in field adjustable turrets is a plus for a combat rifle . Jap army i hope ordered a custom reticle with BDC , closest commercial offering that would be usable is ,they realy need some better reticle for their 1-8x and 1-10x optics.

Per the above slide, the twitter infographic rumor is they will use the FMC-3 reticle:

DLO Reviews: FMC-3 Reticle in March 1-8x24 Shorty

Through the scope video showing the reticle with and without illumination. The effects on the edge of the image are the artefact of how the camera lines up ...

But I agree, this isn't a great general purpose reticle. Personally I don't think First Focal Plane optics in general are great for general purpose, as they make the reticles really tiny and reliant on illumination when on 1x. I think the US was wise to go Second Focal Plane (where reticle remains a constant size from 1-6x) with the Tango optic for that reason. 

I'm not an optic expert by any means, but at least for my own use, I'd love to see the March or similar optic as a SFP, using a simple ACOG style reticle. 

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

3-Dec

1-6x ,1-8x ,1-10x and similar optics are mostly SFP , some are the dual plane, FFP are quite rare. 

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