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XM-25 here we go again...   Army Guns 20+mm

Started 9/11/20 by autogun; 15385 views.
roguetechie

From: roguetechie

24/11/20

I gotta be honest, I'm a little confused by this entire topic and a bunch of the rampant and wild speculation since it's really obvious from the tfb article itself, some recent army presentations, from the solicitation itself, and from the things we know about how the xm25 1.0 saga finally wrapped up last year that clearly point to this program being a program meant for an americanski xm25 to win....

For one, the DOD now owns in-house the xm25 TDP and all the hk IP related to it.

For two, they also own a good majority of the IP that would go into producing the smart optic itself which could very likely just outright be raided from one of four currently running optic programs.

For three, the only other possible contender that might meet the requirements that they've set is a rheinmetal product that may not be done and could very likely "fall afoul" of the same "German export laws" and cause a similar situation to xm25 1.0 again!

The americanski xm25 is going to win since this is a program designed around it winning and that has eliminated the roadblocks from the previous disaster.

An Americanized 25 also fits with the broader strokes of their infantry combat master plan right now.

Finally, it appears as if this solicitation is more about giving people a Better antimateriel rifle much moreso than better HE projection capabilities.

There's other programs and work out there that's focusing on brute HE projection which the majority of things being discussed in this topic fit into much better.

And arguably from my perspective I can see why they'd want this xm25 2.0 better AMR AND other stuff for their HE projection needs.

stancrist

From: stancrist

24/11/20

roguetechie said:

I gotta be honest, I'm a little confused by this entire topic and a bunch of the rampant and wild speculation since it's really obvious from...some recent army presentations...

Got link(s)?

renatohm

From: renatohm

24/11/20

No worries, the document you found is a treasure!

In reply toRe: msg 127
Red7272

From: Red7272

25/11/20

Red7272 said:

Is Eyrx still a thing. Seems like the ideal direct fire support for platoon with a MP or thermobaric warhead.

Still only 600 metre range.

Metis though has matured into a much better AT system with a thermobaric warhead option, so the Russians are ahead as usual. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K115-2_Metis-M

EmericD

From: EmericD

25/11/20

Yes, the Eryx is pretty short ranged, but that's a consequence of the need to engage fast mobile targets at very short range (~50 m).

Red7272

From: Red7272

25/11/20

EmericD said:

Yes, the Eryx is pretty short ranged, but that's a consequence of the need to engage fast mobile targets at very short range (~50 m).

Yup, actually being designed to replace the super bazooka means it is meant to work at what would appear to be very short ranges for an ATGM. 

The MMP (from wiki) does appear to be the system intended for blowing up houses though, suggesting  that the Javelin might be the place to start for an equivalent US system. 

Likewise the NLAW (wiki) appears like a place to start as well with a longer ranged munition.

RovingPedant

From: RovingPedant

25/11/20

NLAW is closer to the Eryx in terms of concept of use.

Red7272

From: Red7272

25/11/20

RovingPedant said:

NLAW is closer to the Eryx in terms of concept of use.

Yup, but does it actually work is another question. In the context of this thread though is how would they work as the basis of a platoon/company level asset for blowing up a house. 

stancrist

From: stancrist

25/11/20

Red7272 said:

In the context of this thread though is how would they work as the basis of a platoon/company level asset for blowing up a house.

???  This thread is about the US Army's proposed Precision Grenadier System, a squad weapon primarily for use against enemy personnel.

How is a hypothetical platoon/company weapon capable of blowing up a house relevant?

Red7272

From: Red7272

25/11/20

stancrist said:

???  This thread is about the US Army's proposed Precision Grenadier System, a squad weapon primarily for use against enemy personnel.

This thread is called that but it has been about whether the LAW or CG can fill that role better, with their 500 to 1000 gram warhead. NLOS is meant to hit a moving target at 600 metres so the potential for it to hit a stationary point target at 1500 metres is there. it's warhead is also several kilograms and so has potential for both personnel in the open and blowing up a house and runs at about 1/10th the cost of a Javelin.

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