If they can't carry a suppressor-equipped carbine, they need to be required to train on the pistol they carry, rather than a more expensive PDW.

Yes lol, which is why we have reports of muh thick clothing stopping 30 carbine In korea

Outside of purely military realm of PDWs , it seems KelTec is aimed at prepper /survival gun market, with all the corona shitshow (at the courrent vacination rates 5+years to get anywhere close to 80% population immunity), ever more autotarian rule i imagine guns are in for record sales in coming years.

I will likely be doing a a bit of 3d work on some new survival gun concepts both short and long barrel in the coming months after i finish up manufacturing my two current rifle designs 

Can't wait to see them!

stancrist said:

A search shows P90 mag length = 10.6 inches.  By my estimate, that puts P50 overall length at a whopping 14 inches!

Plus there is an entire magazine between the bore and the line of the pistol in the hand. It's going to climb more than any other gun in that calibre ever. It's really a case for one of those angled grips stuck to the rear of the gun more than a conventional pistol grip beneath the gun. 

Red7272 said:

stancrist said: A search shows P90 mag length = 10.6 inches.  By my estimate, that puts P50 overall length at a whopping 14 inches! Plus there is an entire magazine between the bore and the line of the pistol in the hand. It's going to climb more than any other gun in that calibre ever. It's really a case for one of those angled grips stuck to the rear of the gun more than a conventional pistol grip beneath the gun. 

I don't understand why they are doing that. I'd put it on top like in the P90. This should also enable faster mag changes.

"I don't understand why they are doing that. I'd put it on top like in the P90. This should also enable faster mag changes"

The Keltec system has the barrel above the magazine, which results in a much lower height over bore for optics. 

The P90 height over bore is pretty brutal, as it both has the magazine, and then also has to have enough room for the magazine to easily enter.

This would also make for a shorter height weapon, making it less bulky to have in a thigh holster. 

Totaly unacceptable unless you are selling next-gen squad optics then you can mount the sight 3x as high as needed

Snap from a video

That's another reason to use an MP7 style weapon.  As well as being far slimmer than the keltec,  you could create a custom optic which is mounted extremely low. 

The stock would need to be angled downwards when in use.... like the b&t use. 

Thus your optic would be no taller than a pistol red dot

The problem with the steeply angled for optics stocks are they have increased muzzle rise.