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PDW again   Small Arms <20mm

Started 20/12/20 by DavidPawley; 41290 views.
graylion

From: graylion

4/1/21

smg762 said:

It's well known that anything above 50ft lbs is lethal so a 300ft lbs bullet is sufficient.  Why add weight and recoil trying to increase that.

It is? Show me some documentation please.

graylion

From: graylion

4/1/21

https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/With_apologies_in_advance__How_many_foot_pounds_to_stop_a_man_/2-374376/

US Army used to consider 58 ft lbs the minimum to be lethal. That would make a .25 ACP a lethal round. I'm giving up. Whenever I challenge you you dodge, weave and don't provide decent reasoning. kthxbai.

graylion

From: graylion

4/1/21

Missing a folding shoulder stock. 

poliorcetes

From: poliorcetes

4/1/21

Or a pistol brace, or whatever. I cannot realise any serious use of such ridiculously long "two-handed pistol" or "broadpistol"  or zweihander or whatever

graylion

From: graylion

4/1/21

the retro look is rather bizarre.

graylion

From: graylion

4/1/21

poliorcetes said:

Or a pistol brace, or whatever. I cannot realise any serious use of such ridiculously long "two-handed pistol" or "broadpistol"  or zweihander or whatever

You know, calling that thing a montante is rather hilariously apt.

poliorcetes

From: poliorcetes

4/1/21

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graylion

From: graylion

4/1/21

yup, montante were specifically used by bodyguards.

17thfabn

From: 17thfabn

7/1/21

From: graylion

4-Jan

smg762 said:

It's well known that anything above 50ft lbs is lethal so a 300ft lbs bullet is sufficient.  Why add weight and recoil trying to increase that.

"It is? Show me some documentation please."

I seem to remember 50 foot pounds from a British study on artillery and what was the ideal fragment size. I think it was a World War II era study.

They wanted a fragment size that would generate at least 50 foot pounds of energy.  If I remember correctly a fragment that generated that amount of energy and struck the torso would cause incapacitation per their studies.  Probably not immediate incapacitation in most cases.

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