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PDW again   Small Arms <20mm

Started 20/12/20 by DavidPawley; 41319 views.
stancrist

From: stancrist

21/12/20

gatnerd said:

From memory, my PS90 magazine is ~10-10.5" long. Assuming that this used the same PS90 magazine, that means the barrel for this is also arounf 10", with weapon overall length of 12-13".

So with a folding stock, this would be comparable in length to a B&T MP9, but with a 50rd mag and 10" barrel, yet remaining holsterable in a thigh holster. So very exciting.

A search shows P90 mag length = 10.6 inches.  By my estimate, that puts P50 overall length at a whopping 14 inches!

Which makes the P50 as long and tall as an MP7 sans flash suppressor and butt stock, but also as wide as a P90 SMG. 

Personally, I would rather have a PDW that's a lot shorter and slimmer, even if it means having less magazine capacity.

Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

21/12/20

"Legend has it, that after drinking peyote, if you look into your mirror and say George Kellgren's name 3 times at 3:30AM, Kel-Tec will release a gun no one wanted until they made it."

That said, I will probably get an integrally suppressed Sub-2000 first.

graylion

From: graylion

25/12/20

Now this I like. I'd use a different cartridge (edit: 5.56x30 MARS specifically), but this is clever! I wonder about the system and the rate of fire.

Edit: RoF is an issue with this design I think because I assume that it is designed as a semi auto with no consideration for FA. So I'd guess at something like 1200 rpm. Taking it down to 700 or so would probably make the gun heavier? In a dream world I'd like balanced recoil, but that is probably greedy.

  • Edited 25 December 2020 17:36  by  graylion
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graylion

From: graylion

28/12/20

Having a look at the gun, you have to flip it open to reload. I don't think I'd care to do that when in a stressful situation. This may well negate the advantage of the magazine capacity.

stancrist

From: stancrist

29/12/20

If you can't get the job done with 50 rounds, what makes you think that you'll live long enough to do a reload?   ;^)

graylion

From: graylion

29/12/20

I'm alone and fighting off a company and there is more enemies than I have bullets

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gatnerd

From: gatnerd

29/12/20

Buffman shared some more pics:

graylion

From: graylion

29/12/20

There is something about this that makes me cringe when thinking of using this in the field.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

29/12/20

PDWs are weapons of last resort for folks that don't know how to use them , for most users you might just as well mount a sound system in a plastic gun looking shape ,making bang-bang noises instead of thing actually shooting.

Keltec is not likely to be issued anywhere but ,still is a cool looking gun. 

graylion

From: graylion

29/12/20

Was the M1 issued to people who did not know how to use them?

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